Topic: Sweet Sweet Oil

Well its actually Light Sweet

Front month Past $140 for first time today.

Repeat after me - "Post Peak Baby"

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Traders are pissing on Saudi lip service to pump another 700K of arabian garbage

3 (edited by Little Paul 26-Jun-2008 20:57:36)

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I disagree. As we have little real figueres about it, wich I agree is an outrage, it is debated wheter it is peak or pre-peak. But it can't be post-peak as the production is still around its highest level in the history of humankind.

So take the old debate all over again: is it peakoil we are facing or not? I know your opinion about that but now I wonder what is your sollution to the problem if it is Han? (I don't mean this ironicly)

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The solution is a massive ramp up of hydro and nuclear power

Huge investment in Battery technology

Plug in hybrids only.

Huge sales taxes on stupid things like SUVs

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On the topic of peak or post peak -

Its funny how the price of WTI is rising yet countries like Libya and Saudi Arabia keep saying there's plenty of oil on the market.

The reason is because the high quality oil is post peak and the countries with spare capacity has sour heavy crude. When they say there's plenty of oil they mean plenty of the poor quality oil they are capable of producing.

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it is definatly possible, the saudi's behavious is not like it used to be when if they said they were going to pump up more oil they actually would...

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At the current prices anyone capable of increasing production would do so. (This assumes that some countries are not deliberately keeping production low to screw over the world's largest consumer)

8 (edited by [RPA] Arocalex 26-Jun-2008 22:41:10)

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Actually, new off-shore drilling platforms are constantly being made because the investment is worth it now. There is a large gap in the market for these platform since in a long time no new platforms were made. It takes a lot of time to increase production.

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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stupid SUVs are left up the the market. 

Obviously, the market is deciding they dont want SUVs anymore.   Have you checked out GM stock lateley ??


I love how the leftist now blam Speculators after the big oil Execs embarrased the Libs on capital hill.

I wonder when the will call Soros to the hill to ram him on "Speculation."


assholes.

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The only thing getting rammed is the American consumer

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@han:
"The solution is a massive ramp up of hydro and nuclear power"
what kind of hydro and nuclear power? (fission or fussion?)

"Huge investment in Battery technology"
I don't know if it can stretch very far but there already is a huge increase in research.(for electrical bikes and cars). For now I'm dissapointed in what they acchieved. The best weight/performance ratio doens't live very long.

"Plug in hybrids only."
between wich energy scources?

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Hydro - The most efficient kind, Build a Dam on a river
Nuclear - Fission of course, it will still keep us out of the dark for another 20 years until we develop tethered Wind generators

Currently the plug in cars will do 200+ miles on a 4 hr recharge, not bad. The problem is the number of battery recharge cycles. This is around 500. That means you need a $4000 battery pack every 2 years.

Plug in hybrids with small gas powered generators (like the Chevy volt and others planned)

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"Hydro - The most efficient kind, Build a Dam on a river"
I agree with that. Unfortunately its limited to certain areas.

"Nuclear - Fission of course, it will still keep us out of the dark for another 20 years until we develop tethered Wind generators"
but fission takes a long time to build, plan and bring forth the energy it took to make. So its a long term, and not a short term sollution.

"The problem is the number of battery recharge cycles. This is around 500."
Theoreticly but its much much ower in reality. Partly because of errors but also because of wrong usage.

14 (edited by Han 27-Jun-2008 15:48:11)

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Indeed the energy return on Nuclear Plants is very low, but its a game of energy transfer.

What you need to do is use the Oil when you can still get it to transfer the energy into something you can still use later, before someone else use up the oil.

On a global scale it matters what the energy return is, on a regional scale it doesnt matter, you're competing against "the enemy" for the resources while they are still cheap.

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I think a sollution would be global, not local. Tough the people might go local, hence not solving the problem.

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"I love how the leftist now blam Speculators after the big oil Execs embarrased the Libs on capital hill."

What is the Futures trading market if its not speculation?

Speculators drove up the house prices
Speculators drove the dot com boom and bust

The entire stock market is speculating.

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Yes.  Agreed.  You have to have a buyer at a level to meet a seller. 
It doesnt mean the buyer can sell it for a higher rate later.
Just as you cant buy for less later.

Market price is market price at any given point.  Thats a given.

Speculators driving up the price ??  ROFL.

BTW......98% of Canada's Oil Exports to the US ?   That is scary

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Speculators driving up the price ??  ROFL.

I take it thats aimed at the house prices.

Why do you think they invented interest only arms, no doc and low doc and the rest of the exotic loans?
Someone buying a house with the intention of selling 6 months later doesnt care if the rate is 5000% in 12 months time.

98% of oil exports to the US?
Where else should we send it?
We send all we have left over to the US and it still only 17% of what you need.
In 5 years Mexico will be an Oil importing country, thats when the real shit hits the fan.
You think you have border problems now?

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Also you might argue that speculators are a net zero on the stock market due to shorting, but show me how to short my house.

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Short your house ??

sure...thats easy...

You need to have someone buy your house today in full, but you dont collect on the difference until you sign the contract in whatever time.

And, hope you bet correctly.  After all, your house may grow at 15% per annum, while the S&P does 8% and T-bills do 3.5%.

still only 17% of what we need.   Yea, we are a big growing country.  big_smile   We are hungry.

In 5 years, there wont be a border for Mexicans to cross.   
We dont have anyone that thinks a border is important.

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" We are hungry."

Actually you're still obese, but hungry will come soon enough

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$146

73% chance of GM going bankrupt in the next 12 months
69% chance of Ford following.

Where's BW with his, "its all great, the lower dollar is fantastic, growth is high, inflation is low economics"

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I would love one of them going bankrupt.

I actually would.

Then the unions there, who have stifled the automakers would be panicked pretty goodly.

They would then seek to help the automakers instead of hinder them.


Then the United States automakers could become competitive again!

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Maybe they wouldn't be going bankrupt if they made decent cars Flint-san?

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Maybe they could make decent cars if they could reduce their outrageous labor costs? You know, like a hybrid that everyone could actually think of purchasing?

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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