Topic: Continuing the silliness that is Syria...

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/l … 4754.story


Okay, I absolutely love this story now!  So to just lay out the imagery... the US Secretary of State says in an off-the-cuff answer to "What can the Syrians do to stop an attack," a ridiculous proposal nobody's expecting anyone to accept!  "Oh, they can give up their chemical weapons!"

Shortly thereafter, both Russia and Syria say "Deal!"  They begin drafting the UN resolution for Syria to get rid of its chemical weapons, subject to UN weapons inspections.  Republicans start to jump on board with Russia.  Some US allies start jumping on board.  Suddenly, everyone's wondering how they managed to trip on this consensus position by complete accident.

Crisis averted, and nobody knows why.  BAM!

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the power of the troll!

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haha Putin is moving like he's playing zhess tongue

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The Great Eye wrote:

Crisis averted, and nobody knows why.  BAM!

KrIsis avrted bEkuz US Ofixls rEalIzd cat cu wrld iznt gOing tU fal fOr cer sO cald 'conclUsiv' intelijens.

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We got what we wanted out of the deal anyway.  So if that's the case, the results of the scenario and your thesis don't add up.


Also, GAH, WTF?!?  THE GREAT EYE IS BLEEDING AFTER READING THAT POST!!!!

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olsO, ga, wcf?!?  cu gr8 I iz blEding aftr rEding cat pOst!!!!

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It's ok I ignore 75% of xeno's posts anyhow

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i predictedthis online a week ago

its what they used to do with battleships

I predict further that "international" custody = Russian custody.

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they sure could use some in Georgia.

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@xeno:
reminds me you never replied to my last post in the alphabet topic.

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I am confused.  I thought I heard during the president's speech that gassing women and children is evil and justice must be carried out.

Isn't punishing Assad by taking away his chemical weapons be on par with taking away the Boston bombers pressure cookers and then say, "Justice is served - there is no way this guy can ever be a problem anymore, let's let him go Scott free as I am sure by us taking away his kitchen utensils it will surely turn him into a terrific global citizen."

Honestly.... WTF!

12 (edited by The Great Eye 13-Sep-2013 03:56:54)

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One word: Israel.

Even if Assad survives his civil war with his power intact, he'll come out of it as a conventionally armed power threatened by a paranoid nuclear neighbor with a much more modernized conventional force that has empirically had no problem bombing nearby countries and letting the rest of the world pick up the pieces after the fact.  So Assad might stay in power, but he'll have to be a much more mellow Assad, particularly in the international arena.


Not to mention that your argument assumes international law is equivalent to domestic law.  There's an obvious difference in that the Boston bomber is pretty much at the mercy of the US government.  In contrast, power politics matters in international law.  Sure, we could have sought to topple Assad if we wanted to.  But then that whole Russia thing would come into play...

Finally, remember that the objective of the bombings was never to knock Assad out of power.  Even Obama said their goals were simply to target Assad's chemical weapons stockpiles.  So absent diplomacy, the end goal of the military strike would have been the same as if the diplomatic route was successfully pursued (assuming everyone plays honestly... granted, not guaranteed).

So yeah, as far as international law goes, this is justice being carried out.

EDIT: Okay, in retrospect, that was much more than "one word."

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"So Assad might stay in power, but he'll have to be a much more mellow Assad, particularly in the international arena."
If, and only if he survives, he will be more powerful domestically. He was weak military compared to Israel even before it started. He's creating a lot of vets if nothing else.

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He is losing a lot of soldiers in his efforts. This is why Hezbollah had to go to assist him... he was almost done for.

Their assistance helped, significantly, but it may not be enough.


This fight is drawing a lot of Al-Quieda, and they are against Assad. A sort of devil vs demon of a fight. The victor will be close to 25% strength when done imo. While that 25% will be skilled, it will include injured men and those who will want to retire from militancy afterwards.

Assad is done with the international scene. His control over his people will rely upon him making their lives better, which means less cash for weapons. His nation has already lost one major city to the level of combat being used. It lies mostly destroyed. His capital could be severely damaged as well.

Refugees may or may not return as well. A whole new issue for Jordan, Turkey, Iran, and Lebanon.

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"His control over his people will rely upon him making their lives better"
you mean like the great leader of prosperous and happy North Korea kind of thing?

But I don't think he'll survive to be honest. I was reacting to Zarfs hypothesis.

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Little Paul wrote:

"So Assad might stay in power, but he'll have to be a much more mellow Assad, particularly in the international arena."
If, and only if he survives, he will be more powerful domestically. He was weak military compared to Israel even before it started. He's creating a lot of vets if nothing else.

In terms of conventional weapons, no, there's no doubt Israel could wipe the floor with Assad before the war.

However, warfare isn't a boxing match.  Nations don't line up their armies in opposite ends of a ring, wait for a referee to say "fight," and go.  Analyses of so-called comparative military strength ignore the deterrent effect of WMDs.

Sure, Israel could clobber Assad in 2005.  However, any action by Israel could be met with an Assad launching of chemical weapons against Israeli populations.  That's important because a line of Israeli tanks at the Golan Heights doesn't prevent a SCUD from releasing Sarin gas in Tel Aviv.  So even if Israel had every reason to believe in a future engagement that their military could pretty much walk through Syria with little problem, the Syrian chemical weapon served as a deterrent.  With successful diplomacy, that deterrent's gone, so if Israel did decide they need to curbstomp Syria, there'd be MUCH less of an asymmetrical response Syria could provide.

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>so if Israel did decide they need to curbstomp Syria, there'd be MUCH less of an asymmetrical response Syria could provide.

Wouldn't that make Putin look like an idiot?

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No, becauseN.Korea had decades of peace with a still popular leader.

Assad is not so popular and will not have luck with peace. Kurds, Jews, Sunnis, Shittes, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Quieda, and other interests will conspire against peace. Welcome to the new Lebanon.

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20 (edited by Little Paul 16-Sep-2013 08:53:11)

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Whats happening, I have to tell both Zarf and Einstein they're right in one thread. Am I aging more rapidly then you guys or am I being to honest?

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The aging thing.

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thx for your answer Zarf, you shouldn't have tongue

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Putin has become soft,he talks about peace,love and understanding like the Dalai Lama

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So, I don't want to read the news.  Has WW3 started yet or not?

25 (edited by The Great Eye 16-Sep-2013 23:17:29)

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Are you currently living in a world ravaged by nuclear weapons raining on every large metropolitan area, forcing you to scavenge for goods in a radioactive wasteland, exchanging bottle caps for desired goods when you come across the unlikely trader and fending off threats from both mutated animals and the rise of post-apocalyptic warlords and raider bands?

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