So now UK is out.  France is talking about being out, which means they are out.  And Russia's sending a cruiser to the Med, which means Turkey let them through, so they're also out.

"Because you chose that for yourselves, and marched with Hitler into Czechoslovakia for a slice of their land, and later fought in the USSR, the Soviets insisted on remaking your government and the West agreed you needed denazifying.  That Red Army occupation after 1945 was approved to spare you psuedo-fascist dictatorship."

Either, 1, the Hungarian people of their own free agency chose dictatorship and Nazism or, 2, were mislead and manipulated into accepting it by being manipulated by mass media and economic circumstances controlled by corrupt government colluding with Nazi Germany for their own selfish ends.

I wasn't there, but tend to think it was the latter.

But, apparently, you seem to know for sure, The Yell.  Were you there?  How old are you?

Be honest, the Yell, antisemitism was prevalent in France, England, the US as well.  Antisemitism has been a common theme all over the world since medieval times.  In Hungary, it only got especially vehement due to economic circumstances in the 20s and 30s and the collusion of the Hungarian government with the Nazi's in the 30s ad 40s.

Was it really much different in France?

"An influx of Jewish refugees from Germany and the Jewishness of the Popular Front's leader Léon Blum contributed to a revival of antisemitism in the 1930s [in France]. Writers such as Paul Morand, Pierre Gaxotte, Marcel Jouhandeau, and the leader of Action française Charles Maurras denounced Jews. Perhaps the most violent anti-Semitic writer was Louis-Ferdinand Céline, who wrote "I feel myself very friendly to Hitler, and to all Germans, whom I feel to be my brothers … Our real enemies are Jews and Masons", and "Yids are like bedbugs." By 1937 even mainstream conservatives and socialists, not previously associated with anti-semitism, denounced the alleged Jewish influence pushing the country into a "Jewish war" against Nazi Germany.[14]"

"Antisemitism was particularly virulent in Vichy France during World War II. The Vichy government openly collaborated with the Nazi occupiers to identify Jews for deportation and transportation to the death camps (about 75,000 were killed). As early as October 1940, without any request from the Germans, the Vichy government began passing anti-Jewish measures (the Statute on Jews), prohibiting them from moving, and limiting their access to public places and most professional activities. In 1941, the Vichy government established a Commissariat général aux questions juives (1941-1944), which worked with the Gestapo to begin rounding up Jews for the concentration camps in 1942, including the notorious Vel' d'Hiv Roundup on 16 and 17 July of that year. Between 1942 and July 1944, nearly 76,000 Jews were deported to concentration camps from France, of which only 2,500 survived. Drancy, outside of Paris, was the primary camp for Jews being deported to the Nazi German death camps in Poland and Eastern Europe."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of … _in_France

You can bet that had the circumstances been the same in Britain, the US or anywhere else, there would have been the same if not more antisemitism:

"Jews represented one-fourth of all university students and 43% percent at Budapest Technological University. In 1920, 60 percent of Hungarian doctors, 51 percent of lawyers, 39 percent of all privately employed engineers and chemists, 34 percent of editors and journalists, and 29 percent of musicians identified themselves as Jews by religion.[37]

Resentment of this Jewish trend of success was widespread: Admiral Horthy himself declared that he was "an anti-Semite", and remarked in a letter to one of his prime ministers, "I have considered it intolerable that here in Hungary everything, every factory, bank, large fortune, business, theater, press, commerce, etc. should be in Jewish hands, and that the Jew should be the image reflected of Hungary, especially abroad."[38]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of … in_Hungary

"With the defeat and dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Hungary would be forced by the Allies to adhere to the Treaty of Trianon, which ceded to neighboring nations fully two-thirds of Hungary's imperial territory and two thirds of its population, including a third of its ethnically Magyar citizens and many Jews. These losses provoked deep anger and hostility in the remaining Hungarian population.[32]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of … in_Hungary

The crux of the matter is that of all the countries involved in the outbreak of  ww1 and ww2, Hungary was least responsible, and yet blamed and punished the most.

Hungarian history (like the history of many small nations in the world) can be summed up as egregious injustice and suffering perpetrated on Hungarian people by their own government, their neighbors' governments, and world powers since the 1400s.

YOUR A RACIST

@Yell

Nice how you ignore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon

Germany, Italy, Austria, all had their territory essentially intact after ww1, except Hungary, which was not a main instigator of the conflict and yet was forced to concede the most territory.  After ww2, it was even worse, while Germany, Austria, Italy, and even Japan, were left untouched by comparison.

The problems in the Middle East are the result of the same tendency towards unjustifiable partitioning, border-drawing, etc..

What do you mean Hungary wasn't a main instigator of the conflict? The Magyars shoved Franz Joseph to "crush" Serbia to quell Serbian dissent with a German-Hungarian autocracy, KNOWING Russia proclaimed a guarantee of their kingdom.  What do you mean "concede territory"?  You weren't  a sovereign state  from 1848 to 1916.  BTW Germany made lots of "concessions", such as Poland.

By "traditional" you mean of course, full of people misled and manipulated by mass media and economic circumstances controlled by corrupt Royal and Imperial government colluding with Imperial Germany for their own selfish ends.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it.  You had ancient privileges but no responsibilities?

World powers have been arbitrarily redrawing borders to suit their own interests without regard for the nationality, ethnicity, culture, heritage, etc. of the peoples whose lands they were carving up.

The conflicts in the world are a result of the ongoing tensions and turmoils that build up over time as a direct result of this tendency for world powers to connive to pursue their interests at the expense of the peoples of the regions they are carving up, and, ultimately, the Syrian conflict is just another example of such:

"In the midst of World War I, two Allied diplomats (Frenchman François Georges-Picot and Briton Mark Sykes) secretly agreed on the post-war division of the Ottoman Empire into respective zones of influence in the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916. Initially, the two territories were separated by a border that ran in an almost straight line from Jordan to Iran. However, the discovery of oil in the region of Mosul just before the end of the war led to yet another negotiation with France in 1918 to cede this region to 'Zone B', or the British zone of influence. This border was later recognized internationally when Syria became a League of Nations mandate in 1920[31] and has not changed to date."

It is no wonder, then, that there is going to be cultural, ethnic, religious upheaval, at least eventually.  Borders are more than just lines on maps and agreements signed by politicians under various sorts of duress.  Borders are based on ancient, cultural, religious, linguistic, and kinship dynamics.  Legal or diplomatic maneuverings by governments to redraw maps is nothing less than conspiracy against human dignity and human rights, especially when it is merely to suit their respective elite's economic interests.

The tendency for governments to redraw maps without regard for the natural culture, ethnic, linguistic, and kinship dynamics of the peoples of the regions involved must stop. For wars, social unrest, strife, etc., will only continue, sometimes 50 or 100 or even 1000 years after the fact.

Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?

Mmmh, if I remember correctly, before Syria, the last time chemical weapons were used by Iraq against Iran and the Kurds... and the chemical weapons got delivered by whom? USA.

So before going around and demanding that some soldiers should kill some other soldiers and/or civilians, perhaps you should want:
1) to see some evidence
2) to know who is responsible for the usage of chemical weapons
3) think twice whom to ask to do the killing (for the obvious greater good)
4) and especially US-Americans: Would you judge it not only fair if the US is hit by some 'surgical' punishment, too, for all the obvious acts of terrorism (acts of war without UN, dronestrikes etc.)?

1.  I did address that point.  I said the Ottomans created hostile enclaves to prevent solidarity in rebellion.  You can't go back to the same territories and demand borders respect linguistic and ethnic boundaries--- there aren't any.

2.  The Austro-Hungarian Empire had universal male conscription, so, yes, the common man in the street had a say in the march to war.  And was for it.  Cause he served when mustered.

3.  You made a false statement, that Hungary suffered worse partition than any other combatant.  I made a true one: that Hitler bitched Germany suffered worse.

4.  You can't have it both ways -- that YOU are far removed and have no part in the events of WW1 but -I- owe you empathy and understanding for what -HUNGARY- has suffered as an ongoing thing.

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