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A kid asked me what my fav top 5 would look like.
to my astonishment I found I had to many candidates I want to put into the list despite I dislike the last 3 strongly. Don't remember what I answered but the question has been bugging me since.
So you can put your fav top 5 here and defend your choice.
1. George Washington. Because he quit.
2. Abraham Lincoln refused to stop killing Americans for being Paulbots, 140 years before Ron Paul.
3. Ronald Reagan for saying the Cold War was somethign we could win. And for not fliplflopping every 10 years.
4. Grover Cleveland didn't take no for an answer, being the first President to win, then lose, then comeback to win. And he was a good diplomat at a time when nobody had to give a damn what the President of the US thought, cause we had less power than the Pope in the Vatican. Cleveland just made too much sense to ignore.
5. Calvin Coolidge met a economic downturn by slashing the government bureaucracy by 50%.
no that was his problem, he couldn't stop himself
Worst Presidents
1. Barack Obama. Says the President can waive the law when he really, really, really wants to. THAT'S gonna end well.
2. Rutherford B Hayes. Became President when he promised the South to pull out the troops and let them go Jim Crow.
3. Woodrow Wilson. The fruit of Hayes' asininity, he segregated the federal government in 1912. Probably the first President to bitch and moan about inheriting a Constitution instead of total power. Not only got us into world war, giving lefties the nifty idea of coordinating the national economy from Washington- but he also backed the wrong side, delaying unification of Europe into a German-dominated autocracy by 80 years. Clearly on the wrong side of history.
4. FDR. Socialist who extended the Depression and then failed to win a world war. Preached that America had the moral duty to throw money at Harvard graduates to fix everything. First president to serve more than 2 terms, for the hell of it and his own greater glory. I blame FDR for all the bad presidents who came afterwards, because they're taught to go out and be remembered like FDR. "Legacy" is a crock, it would be better if they took up astrology.
5. Richard Nixon, for being too stupid to stop recording.
"no that was his problem, he couldn't stop himself"
lol
Gerald Ford for surviving two hits on him by woman within two weeks.
hmm true
I blame FDR too for making people believe Keynes works but he included US in the second world war as opposed to hoover. Hoover was right about not taking Stalin as an ally tough and his econ was far better. But I would have spoken German by now or Russian.
That keeps him out of both list for me.
But I would have spoken German by now or Russian.
Naw the war with Japan would still have set us to building the B-29 long range bomber and the atomic bomb, so if we hadn't landed in Normandy in the summer of 1944 we'd have dropped atomic bombs on Europe. You probably wouldn't be here to speak anything
Top 5 in PROPER Order
1) Washington
They offered to make him King, instead of pre-empting Napoleon and ruining a good thing he made the wise choice and we have a Republic.
2) Reagan
With Democrats and Communists around the World trying their hard to persuade him (that's my polite term) to abandon Conservative ideals he held firm.
3) Lincoln
For kicking Democrats down and hard and freeing the blacks from slavery. To bad it was not permament...
4) Jefferson
For instigating our first war against Terrorists... To bad he did not finish the job...
5) John F. Kennedy
Cause while most Presidents swing to the left after getting in... he went to the right...
BAD LIST
1) Obama
Utter failure, corrupt as can be, and a race baiter to boot.
2) Carter
Bent over to terrorists, bent over to Russia, almost bent over to the janitor. The man had no spine. That and he started our ventures in "alternative fuels" with the failed Synthetic Fuels effort. Only above FDR due to the fact he is also actively talking with terrorists...
3) FDR
Made the Great Depression a reality, practiced Government oversight of everything, and was as much a Fascist as other dictators of the time.
4) Bill Clinton
He gave us a new definition of the word "is" as much as he could. Created the Housing bubble by requiring banks lend to people unable to afford the houses, and gave us "Global Warming". His vice president also gave us "the internet" and threatens to destroy the world still if we do not bow to him and his environmentalism.
5) William Henry Harrison
For not accomplishing ANYTHING in his administration...
Most of Flint's "good" list is from so far back in time that "Republican" either didn't exist or didn't mean what it does today by a long shot. Out of the two from recent history, one is a Democrat.
The "bad" list, however, does happened to be all Democrats (well, except for the one Whig). 
"Naw the war with Japan would still have set us to building the B-29 long range bomber and the atomic bomb, so if we hadn't landed in Normandy in the summer of 1944 we'd have dropped atomic bombs on Europe. You probably wouldn't be here to speak anything"
Because hoover was very hawkish when it came to japs? The bomb was only developed after it became clear what side US would choose. Roosevelt supported it and it remains a question if funds would have been found if he did not.
As an important side note, it took a while to produce such a bomb. My grandparents were nowhere near a great city. How many would the US have produced till Germany had its own?
Depends on whether Stalin would have waited for us or "liberated" Paris without us
or if Adolf would have "liberated" Moscow, With no opposition in the Mediterranean, a possible truce with starving Britain, no aid for the USSR and Japan invading Russia. But I admit Belgium would be an easier target for a bomber of the time then Moscow in any case.
without opposition in the Med the Italians would have invaded Turkey and then begged Adolf to rescue them, so, he'd still have been in trouble.
on a more serious note
I agree with biggest part of the lists you guys made. The pro's are given so I add a few contra's.
Washington:
contra: The only contra I can find is that our info about the time could be largely incorrect.
So for now he's on nr1
Reagan:
Contra: what's in a word 
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Nonetheless Reagan sure should be high in the list, 2 or 3.
Calvin Coolidge:
He was f.a.hayek years before the road to serfdom and the last president not to interfere to much in econ. He's on the list 2.
then it gets messy. So many candidates compete.
Maybe we should place one against the other to phrase Calvin Coolidge: "You loose".
I forgot that "You lose" quote 
1st graders will be using that one long after D.C. crumbles into dust
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