Topic: White Races ??

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We all know the White races are a plague to this planet lol.

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~*Pinwheel Forever*~ wrote:

We all know the White races are a plague to this planet lol.


there is only one "white" race (Caucasian) and not all of them are white.

it surprises me how misused the word race is. there are only three races:
Caucasian, African, and Asian. well some suggest that Pacific Islander is separate from Asian.

but anyway, any other designation is either a Nationality or Ethnicity.

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~*Pinwheel Forever*~ wrote:

We all know the Whites are a plague to this planet lol.


Fixed. smile

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I love McDonald's though. smile

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Valcona wrote:
~*Pinwheel Forever*~ wrote:

We all know the White races are a plague to this planet lol.


there is only one "white" race (Caucasian) and not all of them are white.

it surprises me how misused the word race is. there are only three races:
Caucasian, African, and Asian. well some suggest that Pacific Islander is separate from Asian.

but anyway, any other designation is either a Nationality or Ethnicity.


Only three races? So where would you class Arabians, Indians as compared to Eastern Asians (Mongoloid Asians), and how do you define the clear seperation in features between Barbary and the darker Africans?

I would also argue that a Slavic person is quite different from a Germanic person or a Mediterranean person...

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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RisingDown wrote:

Only three races? So where would you class Arabians, Indians as compared to Eastern Asians (Mongoloid Asians), and how do you define the clear seperation in features between Barbary and the darker Africans?

I would also argue that a Slavic person is quite different from a Germanic person or a Mediterranean person...

Arabians are Caucasian (they are the origin of the race).
Indian and Mediterranean Africans are also Caucasian.

skin color is not an indication of race, but sun exposure. IE the closer to the equator the darker the skin. Closers to the poles, lighter skin, hair and eyes. However, with todays mobility it doesn't hold as much truth.

the only difference between Germanic/Nordic, Slavic, and Mediterranean is pigmentation (see above comment).

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Hardly only pigmentation, facial features, body builds, even enzymes and (resulting) prominent diseases (although partially caused by differences in environmental selective pressure) are different amongst them. (m)DNA is quite different between those groups.

Not only are they physically (organism level as well as mollecular) different, they are also culturally different. Languages families do not even resemble one another, traditions show overlap but just as much difference.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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Although I think the underlying question here would be: Where do you draw the line between a "race" and a "sub-race"?

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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RisingDown wrote:

Although I think the underlying question here would be: Where do you draw the line between a "race" and a "sub-race"?

the differences you speak if are adaptation developed over the last 10K years or so. Regions advancing in isolation from other regions.
If you take mDNA back far enough we all came from Africa (Lucy).

sub-race, maybe, how broad is your definition of ethnicity?
IE  is Nordic (Scandinavian/Germanic) a sub-race or ethnicity?

PS: don't forget that ethnicity is sub divided into heritage.

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The factors that I speak of, are not solely the result of adaptation and external selection, but also results from more common genes found in the different groups that migrated out of Africa resulting in differences in the gene pool. One way of tracing these is the mDNA, however, as you say, when taken too far it'll just lead us back to Africa.

Now the question again, when do you go too far back?

I put a bit of time into it, and realised that the definition of race, ethniticity, and even sub-species are quite vague (although sub-species is a bit more clear as it is the only one that can be used taxinomically).

Taken from Wikipedia:
" If sufficiently different or has been tested to show little genetic connection regardless of phenotype, two or more groups/races can be identified as subspecies, which is an official biological taxonomy unit subordinate to species. If not, they are denoted as races, which means that a formal rank should not be given to the group, or taxonomists are unsure whether or not a formal rank should be given. According to Ernst W. Mayr, "a subspecies is a geographic race that is sufficiently different taxonomically to be worthy of a separate name".[1][2] Hence, the biological races are not taxonomical categories."

A little more digging resulted in the following picture from Meyers Konversations-Lexikon, which supports your claim of there being 3 races (although the Dravidians and Sinhalese (basically Hindi people) are classified as uncertain):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … s0476a.jpg


However, I differ in my opinion which is the result of vague descriptions I guess.
I would consider Germanic and Scandinavian but a sub-race (which was just something I came up with to simplify things) as an ethniticity, although I am not sure of what the difference between the two would be or whether there may be one (I might've just picked the word for lack of a better one).

Anyhow, this semi-troll has gotten a bit out of hand now as I find myself actually putting time into my posts, so I'll stop now smile

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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Most Olympic mens 100metre finals are a Black race. tongue

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One race yall didnt mention would be native american (or american indian if you want to be ignorant like Columbis). While the later tribes (cherokee, osage, etc,) are known to be Asian in origin, not so of the south american natives, (Anasazi, Mayan, Incan, etc.) They have architecture and religious structures that date back almost as old as any of those found in Egypt. So yall should put that in your collective pipes and smoke it. smile

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victorthegreat wrote:

One race yall didnt mention would be native american (or american indian if you want to be ignorant like Columbis). While the later tribes (cherokee, osage, etc,) are known to be Asian in origin, not so of the south american natives, (Anasazi, Mayan, Incan, etc.) They have architecture and religious structures that date back almost as old as any of those found in Egypt. So yall should put that in your collective pipes and smoke it. smile


they aren't a separate race,  they don't date back as far as the Egyptian pyramids. native americans crossed from Russia at the time of the last ice age and migrated south, yes all the way to tierra de fuego.

they are all the same race with the same roots, asian.

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how do you explain the differences in technology Val? You go from a people who were starting to use advanced math, who were using astronomy, whose stone working techniques were quite a bit advanced to a people who hadnt even invented the wheel. The migration of all native american peoples from russia appeals to people who have a "garden of eden complex", I dont think that all people could possibly have come from one area (africa).

I would rather be honestly damned, than hypocritically demoralized.

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American monkeys? lol that's awesome smile

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you caught me pinwheel. smile really I couldnt find the evidence I thought I had about age of the ruins, so I will have to withdraw from this discussion. it did kill some time tho in between ticks so mission accomplished.

I would rather be honestly damned, than hypocritically demoralized.

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Hehe I don't know either, maybe aliens? smile

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http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles … -migration

differences in technology comes from 13,000 years of groups developing in isolation. the differences you name developed in 1000 years or so

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Well actually unless you were there all those millenia ago, no one knows for sure. Now if you tell me someone researched it then I'll laugh hard at them. smile

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Testudinae wrote:
Lee wrote:

A.  You can't be belgian or british because those are diseases not races.

LOL where do u think your civilization come from? Britain own you [masking is also not allowed] tongue


The smart ones all left Britain centuries ago, We do not wish to have the disgusting offspring of those who weren't bright enough to leave.


lol, It was the ones that werent smart enough to be able to make a life in their own country who left tongue

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lies, all lies, you all kome from Spain! yikes

Kriss ezposed it in this thread:
http://imperialconflict.com/forum/viewt … ?id=184800

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yeah Europe was conquered by spaniards in furs and snow goggles and punk haircuts riding each other piggyback, tossing a spear in midair and swinging an atl-atl under it like a tennis racket and throwing underhand, one in each hand, at the same time, hollering "you just been terminated" in Cro-Magnon

you can still see traces when Barca rushes the goal

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Lmao big_smile

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