Wardancer still lacks the speed, Camaar is still ultimately the best attacker race as if you can claim territory, secure it and fast than that leads to more growth potential later. Many will argue with me about this, but it's really common sense ...

~ Cloud

Which part do you disagree with?

Cos I love Camaar, and would still use them.

But if I'm being Eco-minded, if I had a fam of only 5-7 players, I would not use Camaar.  To much of an eco drain.  And although it'll work - I won't be able to have the benefit of being able to strongarm people as much.

(Having said that, in MW a couple rounds back, i was our fams 3rd attacker, and went Camaar.  We made 3 attackers work in a 7 man fam.  But if i was going for only 2 attackers, I'd not want a Camaar.)

One more arguement Id like to put across is the other pre-set races in comparason to camaar.

Pax - pax started dying out, but with the addition of OH quickly became an essential to ALL fams and with the ability to create rez or gc or even focus on research is pretty customisable, so it fits a larger player base.

Wardancer - again almost died out, but with the new stats and adding warcry makes wardancer literally the best attacking race, and can play well as hc or rez, meaning its played often.

quantum - a totally customisable race, can bank, rez, attack, op and even ss. IMO the best race, but beside that with the super high science bonus this race is worth going regardless of what role u play.

rev - strictly banker race, that needs a rezzer to support it. but not 100% of the time, with the extra income% over custom bankers revs can afford to buy an extra 10% incomes worth of rez of the market for those tight moments.

camaar - is totally amazing for speed and with a good attack bonus is a great attacker race. but totally requires fam assistance to work, it doesnt work as a rezzer race so as such cant rely on market if the rest of the fam is gone and has poor ops to boot.

with the advances of other races mixed with the ever decreasing player base, and the loss of the ability to core another fam due to sentinel, camaar defo needs something new

I agree that Wardancers is too strong. The trouble is, when it was slightly weaker, people didn't use it still.  If used properly, it's way too strong.

The real trouble is, people don't know how to use the race to it's strength.

I disagree with this though:

I've never looked at Camaar as the race to "core" another fam.  First of all, I hate the strat.  Secondly, Camaar have it's own strength - people just need to learn how to take advantage of it.

I'm not saying I'm against strengthening it - don't get me wrong.  I just see it already as a strong race.  And I see Wardancers as overpowered.  We only changed this "[FEATURE] Wardancers have been improved! +10% Science, +10% Attack, +20% Speed!"

for it to become a race with 0 usage, to now it being popular.  I'd rather make something overpowered for people to start using it, and then tweak as necessary.  Even after the change it wasn't used much.  Only now due the smaller fams, it's becoming the option to use over Camaar, for obvious reasons.

Don't get me wrong.  When I reply, I'm not giving answers eitehr.  I don't know what's necessarily right, and just cos I wear the Dev tag, please don't assume I do eitehr.  More than anything, I'm just a player too!

So yea, open for ideas by others too, or something that works.

PS:  When I wasn't a mod or a dev, they tried Camaar with PI as well.  But to give them this, they reduced speed to 150% - which imo was extremely bad.  Luckily they reverted this change!  Speed for Camaar is a real differentiator!  I'm a big lover of Camaar!

I think Camaar has just suffered more from the lack of general activity then most families.  They rely a lot more on an active family around them for ops and communication.

On the races in general, I like the idea of the remaining races getting their own op.  Partaxians and Wardancers have their own signature, Revalons Camaar and Quantam have been left out.  Possibly something to replace the lack of pi's would help Camaar?

lol but kamaar have IP, so I kannot see the reason why they still kan't do PI 

your agents are able to find a portal in that planet, but for some reason they arent able to find the infra in that planet!  it is ... absurd

yes thats totally right, I always liked to have camaar as my all out fighter with long range capabilities, then with a custom fighting at medium range giving camaar and wardancer support, and with a wardancer being the close to medium range fighter, only going to long range in cancellation wars. but with all the ic changes that balance is lost.