Topic: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

"The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact."
       - Senator Barak Obama in his memoir The Audacity of Hope.

As conservatives head into the 2008 presidential election cycle, they
might consider brushing up on their facts to catch up with the
"arguments" of liberals.  I have prepared a short test to help benighted
conservatives gauge their ignorance.

Try answering the 10 questions below, then I will reveal the actual
answers and help you evaluate your fitness to cast an informed (by
facts) vote in 2008.

The Test

1.  In 2005, the U.S. federal government spent $581 billion on Health
and Human Services and $560 billion on Social Security Administration,
for a combined total over $1.1 trillion.  How much did the United States
spend on Defense-Military?

(a) $2.744 trillion
(b) $1.474 trillion
(c) $744 billion
(d) $474 billion

2.  In 2001, public spending per capita on health in the United Kingdom,
Canada and France was $1,518, $1,531 and $1,599, respectively.  How much
was public spending per capita on health in the United States?

(a) $168
(b) $682
(c) $1,286
(d) $2,168

3.  In 2003 in the U.S., those making $200,000 or more (Adjusted Gross
Income, or AGI) made up less than 2% of all federal income tax returns,
yet they accounted for almost 22% of all income (AGI) reported to the
IRS.  What fraction of all federal income tax dollars came from those
who made $200,000 or more in 2003?

(a) 2%
(b) 12%
(c) 22%
(d) 42%

4.  While 140 countries have signed the Kyoto Treaty to reduce carbon
dioxide emissions, the U.S. refuses to do so.  From 1994 to 2004, carbon
dioxide emissions from consumption of fossil fuels increased by 19.4% in
Canada, 26.4% in Greece, 42.9% in Norway, and 68.4% in China.  How much
did carbon dioxide emissions from consumption of fossil fuels increase
in the U.S. from 1994 to 2004?

(a) 129%
(b) 92.1%
(c) 29.1%
(d) 12.9%

5.  In 2004 in the U.S., just three years after the 911 attacks, there
were 1,013 anti-Jewish hate crime offenses.  How many anti-Islamic hate
crime offenses were there?

(a) 100,094
(b) 10,094
(c) 1,094
(d) 194

6.  In 2004 in the U.S., the cumulative total of men who had AIDS due to
sexual contact with other men was 402,722.  How many men had AIDS due to
sexual contact with women?

(a) 43,347,000
(b) 4,334,700
(c) 433,470
(d) 43,347

7.  In 2004 in the U.S., it was not known whether a weapon was present
in 5.2% of the cases of rape and sexual assault.  A non-firearm weapon
was known to be present in 7.9% of the cases.  How often was a firearm
known to be present in rapes and sexual assaults?

(a) 80%
(b) 40%
(c) 20%
(d) 0%

8.  The CIA's "Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on
Iraq's WMD" by the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), also known as the "Duelfer
Report", is the authority commonly cited to debunk the threat of WMD as
an excuse to invade Iraq in 2003.  Which of the following statements was
taken from the Duelfer Report?

(a) "we cannot express a firm view on the possibility that WMD elements
were relocated out of Iraq prior to the war"
(b) "ISG technical experts fully evaluated less than one quarter of one
percent of the over 10,000 weapons caches throughout Iraq"
(c) "Iraq could have re-established an elementary BW [biological
warfare] program within a few weeks to a few months of a decision to do so"
(d) All of the above.

9.  In 2003 in the U.S., the number of pedestrians killed in motor
vehicle accidents was 5,991.  How many motorcycle riders were killed?

(a) 36,076
(b) 7,663
(c) 6,736
(d) 3,676

10.  The intelligence of President George W. Bush is often ridiculed,
especially on late-night comedy shows.  What fraction of the general
population is less intelligent than President Bush?

(a) 25%
(b) 50%
(c) 75%
(d) 95%

The Answers

The correct answer to every question was (d).  The answers to the first
seven questions can be found in The Statistical Abstract of the U.S.
Specific tables from that source, and other sources, are cited in the
discussion below.

1.  The U.S. federal government spent $474 billion on Defense-Military
in 2005, well less than either Health and Human Services or Social
Security (Table 461).  In fact, it was less than 20% of all federal
outlays and just 3.8% of GDP.  These are historically low numbers and
unprecedented for wartime.

2.  Despite the U.S. health care system often being described as a "free
market", the U.S. spends more in public dollars per capita than almost
all other countries, including Canada and the U.K.  In fact, only Norway
spends more (Table 1318).  Note that these are public dollars, meaning
government spending.  Total public and private spending on health care
in the U.S. is about double that, or about 16% of GDP.

3.  Households with AGI of $200,000 paid over 42% of all federal income
taxes, despite making up less than 2% of all returns and just 22% of all
reported income (Table 474).  In fact, the average tax rate for those
making $500,000 or more was 25%, while it was only 7% for those making
between $30,000 and $40,000, or near median incomes.  That means the
richest tax payers pay more than triple the rate of the middle class.
And this is well after the Republican tax cuts took effect.

4.  Between 1994 to 2004, carbon dioxide emissions from the U.S.
increased by 12.9%, the same increase as that of France and a smaller
increase than that of Canada, Greece, Norway, and China.  In fact, U.S.
emissions grew at a slower rate than the emissions from 143 of 213
countries (67%), including Cuba, Venezuela and Iran.  Moreover, North
America is actually a carbon dioxide sink, meaning it absorbs more than
it produces.

5.  In 2004 in the U.S., just three years after the 911 attacks, there
were 194 anti-Islamic hate crime offenses, about one fifth as many as
anti-Jewish offenses, and only about 2% of all hate crime offenses
(Table 308).  In fact, anti-Jewish offenses constituted over two thirds
of all anti-religion hate crime offenses, despite both the small numbers
of Jews in the country and the much-feared "Muslim backlash" (meaning
backlash of non-Muslims against Muslims) that appears ever more
phantasmagorical.

6.  In 2004 in the U.S. there was a cumulative total of 43,347 men who
had AIDS due to sexual contact with women, or about a tenth as many as
those who had it from sexual contact with other men (Table 177).
However, since heterosexual men outnumber gay men by a factor of 10 to
100, gay men (herein meaning men who have sex with men) are 100 to 1,000
times more likely than heterosexual men to get AIDS from sexual contact.

7.  In 2004 in the U.S., no firearm was known to be present in any rape
or sexual assault - zero, despite some other type of weapon being
present in about 8% of such crimes (Table 315).

8.  The Duelfer Report admitted that dozens of chemical weapons actually
were found [later determined to be more than 500], that the ISG did not
search much of Iraq, that its sources were not reliable, that most
suspected WMD sites had been looted or destroyed, that WMD could very
well have been taken out of the country, that WMD programs could have
been reconstituted and WMD produced quickly, and that Saddam Hussein
intended to do exactly that shortly after he bribed enough countries
using the "oil for food" program to drop the sanctions and inspection
regime.  Does that sound like "no threat" or "no evidence" to you?

9.  More pedestrians than motorcycle riders were killed in motor vehicle
accidents in 2003 - in fact, 63% more, according to the National Safety
Council.  Of the 44,757 deaths due to motor vehicle accidents, only
3,676 (8%) were motorcycle riders.  Should pedestrians be forced to wear
helmets, as are motorcycle riders in many states?  Why not drivers and
passengers in cars and trucks, for that matter?

10.  George W. Bush's SAT score of 1206 has been widely reported.  The
SAT score (if taken prior to 1995) can be used to estimate IQ, to
compare to the general population, and to compare to occupational
averages and popular figures in history.  Using such estimates,
President Bush's IQ is between 125 and 130 which ranks him as more
intelligent than over 95% of the population, more intelligent than most
college professors and medical doctors, and similar to Abraham Lincoln,
Rousseau and Thackeray (comparative IQs of 128).

Evaluation

You might be a liberal if you think

     * We spend more on defense than we do on health care and other
human services.
     * Our health care system is worse than other developed countries
       because the free market has failed and our government doesn't
       spend enough on health.
     * The rich pay less in taxes than the poor.
     * The U.S. is one of the worst offenders in producing global warming
       gases, and keeps on polluting while other countries are cutting back.
     * The biggest problem with Islamic terrorism is the resulting
       backlash against Muslims.
     * AIDS affects everyone equally, gay and straight.
     * We have high rates of rapes and sexual assault because of the
       availability of guns.
     * There was no good reason to invade Iraq in 2003, certainly not the
       threat of WMD.
     * More lives would be saved by making helmets mandatory for
       motorcycle riders than would be saved by making them mandatory for
       pedestrians or car drivers and passengers.
     * President Bush is stupid.

Unfortunately, you'd be wrong on every point listed above, based on facts.

The test and list above were not meant to be comprehensive, merely
illustrative.  To list liberal beliefs that can be countered by reason
and facts would be a task akin to counting grains of sand on a beach -
beyond the scope of this article.  Perhaps it will be attempted by a
cloister of monks in the next century.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/the_barack_obama_test.html

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2 (edited by Gladiator 25-Jun-2008 02:47:38)

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

ummm lol

you really went over and beyond there einstien tongue


oh btw i didn't read it yet, feels like it's too much and it's too pointless, i'm happy that you care enough to write so much though =S

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

He didn't write much, since it seems like a simple copy-paste.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

and yet no one seems to read today. Education of liberals seems to be pretty low if they cant read this

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

I read it, but I'm no liberal. tongue

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

I read it and realized that its not even a test of logic =p

Sex without the e is still SX!

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

a strong case of TL:DR

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

It's all true tho, sad huh? You been misguided for how long?

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

"gay men (herein meaning men who have sex with men)"

so that's what primo does??? it can't be yikes

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Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

Straight men can have sex with men and not be gay X(.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

Am I the only one to realise it starts off as a so called test of logic for conservatives adn ends up being flint thinking he is funny?

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

lol r u kidding me?
1) the site www.AMERICANthinker.com is made by americans, and its about america, i reckon they can rele supply u with gd unbiased info!
2) on their homepage i see 3 main articles for today: one about "War, Hell and Civilian Juries", a 2nd saying Obama sux and Mccain rules, and a 3rd saying Obama sux

what an awesome site!!!

sigh how can u believe that crap,
basically every newspaper is biased, especially the online ones

13 (edited by TheYell 25-Jun-2008 11:23:09)

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

There is a lot wrong with the subject you chose tho.

1) the military, it is many, many times smaller then it used to.
2) inneficiancy
3)
4) You were already emmiting [butttloads], so now you seem to be emmiting [butttloads] at a slower rate? And that sink hole, that either the ocean currents helping you or canada.
5) That were reported ofcourse
6) Who needs a weapon to rape women?

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

"lol r u kidding me?
1) the site www.AMERICANthinker.com is made by americans, and its about america, i reckon they can rele supply u with gd unbiased info!
2) on their homepage i see 3 main articles for today: one about "War, Hell and Civilian Juries", a 2nd saying Obama sux and Mccain rules, and a 3rd saying Obama sux

what an awesome site!!!

sigh how can u believe that crap,
basically every newspaper is biased, especially the online ones"


The answers to the first
seven questions can be found in The Statistical Abstract of the U.S.; i'd say thats a pretty reliable source....

yes, all newspapers are biased. the point of this thread wasnt to post a link to an unbiased article. someone being biased doesnt mean the information they give you is inaccurate.

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

then what is the point of this thread?
have ppl discuss an opinion with (perhaps) biased information?

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

LOL a couple of you guys actually read it tongue

i did go to the website what kinda "newspaper site" says stuff like "More Crap from Obama on Why he opted out of Federal financing"
LOL wtf? --i'm starting to think it's einstien's website lol

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

the point of the thread is to examine the unbiased information, placed in a manner which they will tend to choose A if Liberal, and find they were the most inaccurate possible.

This is due to emotional propaganda.

They in fact are so extremely wrong.


But they wont admit it.


The only way to save someone who believes this way is to keep pounding the message in til they understand they have lived a lie their whole life, and convert to Conservatism.

Not Euro Conservatism, US Conservatism.


There are so many media run falacies, and emotional overtures against so many Conservative stances and policies that truth is very rarely said by the left of them. This goes also for Bush, who has aided more to the poor and disenfranchised than any president since the great depression, per capita and per percentage of the budget and per percentage of the GDP.


The effort is to educate, since they only hear one side, only talk to people who say one side, and never see the other... I open their eyes a little if they are willing to break through their brain-washing.

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18 (edited by Gamer 25-Jun-2008 16:19:28)

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

how the hell can u try to 'educate' ppl with such questions...
those questions prove that u can get ppl to say w/e u want as long as u know how to ask them

question 1) those amounts of money mean jack shit, u have to look in %
question 2) how r those numbers compared to economy? from the introduction of the euro, the euro has almost doubled in value compared to the dollar, that must have an influence
question 4) u cant compare the US to lets say China when it comes to pollution, look at polution per civilian and ull see the US isnt doing well
question 6) its scientifically impossible to trace the origin of ur aids, so what is the value of those numbers? i agree, AIDS is more present amongst gay men.
question 7) i dont see the connection between rape and firearms
question 10) ud have to test loads of ppl to get an accurate result, with the same test, and ud have to get Bush to do that same test too, i hardly see that happening.

what the test does learn us, is that a lot of ppl think its far worse with the US than it actually is, but i reckon u can can do that too with some decent questions
i do see ur point now Einstein, and i must agree with u, but the execution is poor

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

"question 1) those amounts of money mean jack shit, u have to look in %"

What the hell do you mean by that?


"question 4) u cant compare the US to lets say China when it comes to pollution, look at polution per civilian and ull see the US isnt doing well"

Whereas in the US, it has leveled off, in China it's skyrocketing.  Pollutions per civilian?  Rate & Output = Forecast.  That's your answer.

20 (edited by avogadro 25-Jun-2008 19:17:21)

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"10.  George W. Bush's SAT score of 1206 has been widely reported.  The
SAT score (if taken prior to 1995) can be used to estimate IQ, to
compare to the general population, and to compare to occupational
averages and popular figures in history.  Using such estimates,
President Bush's IQ is between 125 and 130 which ranks him as more
intelligent than over 95% of the population, more intelligent than most
college professors and medical doctors, and similar to Abraham Lincoln,
Rousseau and Thackeray (comparative IQs of 128)."

that is so wrong. SAT measures quality of Highschool education more then IQ. i never took the SAT because the ACT is more desirable in the Midwest, where i live, but my ACT score was in the top 1 percentile, and i bet at least 50% of my highschool's class scores were in the top 10% percent. and my highschool class wasnt full of geniuses and gifted peopole; it was just a private highschool that did a much better job at preparing their students for college then public schools did. Didnt Bush go to a Private Highschool? i bet his score of 1206 was around average.

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

@Sir SupAll

what i ment was: u have to look at the % the US spends in military, not the actual amount, coz that doesnt mean anything, well ofc they make the comparison with Health, but imo a better question, would b:
The US spends x% of their budget in Health, how much do you think the US spends in defense?, cuz then u can compare it to other countries, and u can actually make a point

and i dont rele get ur 2nd comment, erm here i got a prob, i keep saying 'look at % not at numbers', but here u should look at the numbers and not the % tongue lets just skip that tongue

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

> Gamer wrote:

> @Sir SupAll

what i ment was: u have to look at the % the US spends in military, not the actual amount, coz that doesnt mean anything, well ofc they make the comparison with Health, but imo a better question, would b:
The US spends x% of their budget in Health, how much do you think the US spends in defense?, cuz then u can compare it to other countries, and u can actually make a point

and i dont rele get ur 2nd comment, erm here i got a prob, i keep saying 'look at % not at numbers', but here u should look at the numbers and not the % tongue lets just skip that tongue



That representation of health care isn't even good, because you forget about private sector spending.  If, in theory, a nation had its entire health care run and funded by NGOs, operating solely through donations, such statistics would say that said nation spends no money on health care, which would be crap.

Same goes for military, actually, as non-government organizations can serve as defensive tools, i.e. legalized weapons, contract military organizations within the US, and other potential defensive weapons.

In other words, money spent is a crappy frame of reference anyway.

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These arent "unbiased questions" they are typical flint-isms= wild distortions of the thruth with a few carefully selected statistics to back the loony right view.

Question 1: the official answer is d) 474 Bn

That is the official defence budget for 05.

BUT- that doenst include the cost of the wars in Iraq or afganistan, these were funded under seperate legislation & the cost is not included in that official 474bn

Every questio nin the list has its own shortcomings if you actually go through them

this is typical flint, beware of flint and statistics, he doenst understand them.

Re: A logic test for Liberals, Democrats, Obama followers and et al.

It's not a test, it's propaganda Flint. There's a distinction...

"and yet no one seems to read today. Education of liberals seems to be pretty low if they cant read this"

Yet, according to BW, the same people are your very professors at american universities....

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"question 2) how r those numbers compared to economy? from the introduction of the euro, the euro has almost doubled in value compared to the dollar, that must have an influence"

yes, the lower value of the dollar makes the distinction seem like less then it really is. the US would be spending even more compared to european nations if not for the bad trading rate of the USD.