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How nice.  The rich are beginning to 'voluntarily' come forward and pay taxes for a change.  What has prompted this, I wonder?

A letter politely asking these criminals to stop thieving from the poor and undermining the legitimacy of government by their criminal activity?

Did Harper himself send it about to all his friends first, I wonder...


http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/more-can … -1.1237351

How kind the authorities are to these rich people:

" penalties are waived and no legal action taken, as long as back taxes are paid"

Aww... isn't that nice.


Can regular people sue them for chronic joblessness and underemployment over the last 30 years due to their flagrant tax evasion, various sorts of scheming, greed, corruption, various crimes, and anti-trust activities?

"In the three years to March 31, 2012, almost 11,300 disclosures about offshore income arrived at the offices of the Canada Revenue Agency, acknowledging more than $1 billion in unreported income."

^^ Tip of the @#%-ing iceberg  (And this is Canada - a people of what 30 odd million)  lol.  Wonder how much tax revenue the Americans could get if they got tough on financial fraud, and tax evasion...

This so called voluntary disclosure program is a sham.

"A CRA-commissioned poll of 1,002 Canadians, conducted in late 2011 by Ipsos Reid, found that 54 per cent agreed with the statement that the disclosure program "allows cheaters to avoid penalties they should be paying."

54 percent?  I can't believe that.  If people understood the effect this fraud and criminal activity by the rich have had on an entire generation of young people they would be clamoring for JAILTIME for these criminals.

The problem is, most people don't understand how regular people have been affected by the sorry state of affairs in the world since the 70's.

Send them to jail; confiscate their assets, redistribute the income to those who have been HARMED by their greed: an entire generation of young people.

Abolish ALL, EVERY SINGLE SORT OF REGRESSIVE TAXATION NOW.  And NO taxation of income PERIOD.  Instead, tax WEALTH in excess of 2 million in networth.  PERIOD.  Tax it to the extent that the DEBT is paid off.  PERIOD. 

Meanwhile,  universal healthcare, universal higher education, and mandatory PAID vocational training by employers.  PERIOD.

And checks in the mail for all people who have suffered from the ongoing THIEVERY and fraud over the last 30+ years.

I have calculated that I am PERSONALLY out about 1.6 million dollars in AFTER-tax lost earnings due to the systemic fraud and thievery committed by the rich.

Waiting a BIG FAT check in the mail.

Until then, I buy NOTHING but bare essentials.

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O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

The inmates are running the asylum

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I love how you jealously accuse all successful people of crimes, making no distinction between the hard working successful and the corrupt wealthy who own lawmakers and buy exemptions from law. To you, someone who's worked hard all their life and amassed a few million is as guilty of corruption as Jeffrey Immelt, whose company makes billions and pays no taxes.

The taxation you propose would stifle productivity, raise prices, and harm society.

The Federal Reserve has been robbing the poor for a hundred years.

"30+ years"? You have no idea what you're talking about.

Please elaborate on how you earned 1.6 million dollars which was stolen from you. I'm pretty sure we're all dying to hear this one.

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I am not sure why you started quoting the national anthem of my country.  Was it supposed to be something ironic?  I TAKE OFFENSE to the implication.

I am standing on guard for my country - the people of Canada - right now by writing about this.  As a patriotic Canadian, I on the one hand celebrate and admire how Canadians have patiently suffered and awaited some semblance of justice to be forthcoming over the last 30+ years of systemic fraud and rampant white collar crime in this country.

As a patriotic Canadian, I despair along with the RCMP and the courts who have been handcuffed just like the rest of us by this 'system'.  I have despaired along with other Canadians while we have watched the slow, systemic failure of the justice system, the rule of law, and, most recently, the failure of the legitimacy of our elected government.

Like other patriotic Canadians, I am resolved to stand up on guard for my country right now this very instance as I point out the root causes of the loss of government's legitimacy.  In fact, as a patriotic Canadian who is standing on guard for his country, it is my duty to do so, actually.

The attack on the legitimacy of government by the imposition of systemic tyranny and fraud I take very, very personally, for it is an attack on my country, Canadians, the Queen, and the democracy itself.

I can only hope that as the full impact of this attack on my country becomes fully realised that justice will somehow be served, as Canadians vote at the polls and with their wallets in the stores.

And I believe they will, eventually, as they become more aware as to the nature of the crime that has been perpetuated on what is now almost 2 generations of Canadians.

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Mister Spock wrote:

I love how you jealously accuse all successful people of crimes, making no distinction between the hard working successful and the corrupt wealthy who own lawmakers and buy exemptions from law. To you, someone who's worked hard all their life and amassed a few million is as guilty of corruption as Jeffrey Immelt, whose company makes billions and pays no taxes.

The taxation you propose would stifle productivity, raise prices, and harm society.

The Federal Reserve has been robbing the poor for a hundred years.

"30+ years"? You have no idea what you're talking about.

Please elaborate on how you earned 1.6 million dollars which was stolen from you. I'm pretty sure we're all dying to hear this one.

Kemp, I am not going to educate you on http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/colle … nsibility/

Understand simply that those who suffer from systemic injustice are least least culpable for it while those who profit from systemic injustice tend to do so by their apathy and complacency with it.

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I vote Libertarian and I take care of myself.

I don't owe you anything.

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7 Reply by Xeno (edited by Xeno 15-Apr-2013 00:43:19)

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Mister Spock wrote:

I vote Libertarian and I take care of myself.

I don't owe you anything.

You are American and I am Canadian, and so, yes, in terms of your committal of tax evasion fraud, you would owe me nothing.  But if you cheated on your taxes while another American earning less than you didn't cheat, you owe them.

In terms of Americans' collective responsibility for other damages incurred by other peoples in the world, I wouldn't venture a guess at this time what America might owe.

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Xeno wrote:
Mister Spock wrote:

I vote Libertarian and I take care of myself.

I don't owe you anything.

You are American, and so, yes, you owe me nothing.  But if you cheated on your taxes while another American earning less than you didn't cheat, you owe them.

Interesting question, then: If a poor person cheats on their taxes, do they owe a wealthy person who doesn't cheat on their taxes?  tongue

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Interesting question, then: If a poor person cheats on their taxes, do they owe a wealthy person who doesn't cheat on their taxes?  tongue

Poor or rich is irrelevant in theory:

If a person cheated more than another person did, the person who cheated more would owe the person who cheated less, although, of course, not as much as the person who didn't cheat at all.

That being said, rich / poor is relevant in practice:

does tend to be the rich who do most of the cheating, since they are permitted to declare their income at the end of the year and pay tax then, while the working poor and middle class declare their income in advance and have taxes deducted in advance with every paycheck. In other words, the rich are the ones doing the cheating because they CAN cheat while the poor and middle class can't.

Also, because the rich are 'rich' they have the capacity to cheat in vastly higher amounts than the working poor or middle classes.

Also, studies have shown that the richer someone is the more willing they are to cheat, while the poor and middle class are less prone tothat inclination.

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it would be interesting to measure the percentage of fraud in the wealthy class income tax returns and the poor class with insurance claims and then measure the difference between the harm done to the economy.

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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it would be interesting to measure the percentage of fraud in the wealthy class income tax returns and the poor class with insurance claims and then measure the difference between the harm done to the economy.

Why wouldn't the wealthy class commit as much insurance fraud as the poor class?

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because the highest percentages of fraud come from worker's comp, medicaid and other programs designed to help the legitimately poor

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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highest percentages and monetary impact**

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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because the highest percentages of fraud come from worker's comp, medicaid and other programs designed to help the legitimately poor


Most of the medicaid fraud is committed by the doctors billing for services that they didn't provide so they can get more money.

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that does happen valcona but the percentage of that type of fraud associated with overall bogus medicaid fraud is relatively low

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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16 Reply by V. Kemp (edited by V. Kemp 15-Apr-2013 03:35:01)

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Nobody has a "collective responsibility" to be robbed by corrupt power-hungry politicians via taxes and inflation of fiat currency.

The "rich" below the threshold of so wealthy they can buy politicians pay the bulk of taxes in America. The sheep who keep electing the corrupt trash who rob them owe the rich for what they've enabled government to steal.

Would you kindly stop electing authoritarian trash so I'm robbed less via taxes and inflation?

These taxes--including the hidden tax of inflation, which hits the poor hardest and punishes thriftiness--inflate our cost of living and hurt everyone. They're far more harmful to society--and the poor--than tax evasion.

Where's your explanation for your 1.6 million figure you were supposedly robbed of? What's this, evasiveness after a ridiculous claim? Tell us more!

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"In terms of Americans' collective responsibility for other damages incurred by other peoples in the world, I wouldn't venture a guess at this time what America might owe."

Drop dead! You can have death in full payment, come and collect it.

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Figure 6.1.
Cumulative CO
2
Emissions, 1850–2002
Country
% of World (Rank)
United States
29.3
(1)
EU-25
26.5
(2)
Russia
8.1
(3)
China
7.6
(4)
Germany
7.3
(5)
United Kingdom
6.3
(6)
Japan
4.1
(7)
France
2.9
(8)
India
2.2
(9)
Ukraine
2.2
(10)
Canada
2.1
(11)
Poland
2.1
(12)
Italy
1.6
(13)
South Africa
1.2
(14)
Australia
1.1
(15)
Mexico
1.0
(16)
Spain
0.9
(20)
Brazil
0.8
(22)
South Korea
0.8
(23)
Iran
0.6
(24)
Indonesia
0.5
(27)
Saudi Arabia
0.5
(28)
Argentina
0.5
(29)
Turkey
0.4
(31)
Pakistan
0.2
(48)
Developed
76
Developing
24
Source:
WRI, CAIT.


http://pdf.wri.org/navigating_numbers_chapter6.pdf

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19 Reply by V. Kemp (edited by V. Kemp 15-Apr-2013 10:46:21)

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More evasion and spam.

Where's your explanation for your silly claim of being robbed of 1.6 million?

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I had no idea we were tracking CO2 emissions in 1850.

I can only admire the dedicated CO2 trackers leaping around Civil War battlefields with CO2meters, dodging cannonballs.

And who can forget ole Jebediah Crapping Bull, the climatologist who posed as a Sioux war chief through the 1880s, to track their emissions on the inside of a buffalo robe.

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Where's your explanation for your silly claim of being robbed of 1.6 million?


Loss of salary and loss of income from interest earned on savings and investments since 1994 - the year I could legally have dropped out of school and started a trade.  Instead, since then, I have wasted 2 decades pursuing higher education and a 'better' job, costing me a total of an estimated 1.6 million in financial losses.

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sounds like a prima facie case against yourself

let us know, we'll make it class action

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sounds like a prima facie case against yourself

let us know, we'll make it class action

It would be a case against the academic establishment - the primary profiteers of systemic tyranny and fraud.

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Hahahaha you're claiming losses because you "could" have dropped out of school and started a trade.

What income did you presume? hahahahahhahaa

What a joke.

Maybe your education isn't the problem. Maybe it's your intellect, work ethic, and mental health. You did make the decision to waste time failing out of school. Nobody made it for you.

That explains why you blame society for your failures; they're too huge for you to accept. You think you're special. You think you'd have made 1.6 million if you'd dropped out. Who cares if you're psychotic, you're special and everybody owes you stuff.

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Stop laughing spock

join me in suing Xeno for not making us Executive VP by now X(

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