Re: -- Read the Comments --

It is insightful

Some wont get it for a while.

This thread also has a time span

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

... Holy shit.

That is possibly the first time all year Kemp has used the word "literally" as the word was intended.  yikes

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

28 (edited by V. Kemp 10-Apr-2013 00:29:37)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

The Great Eye,

You've never disputed my use of it before. Neither has The Yell, he just vaguely claims that I've misused it after a few uses without committing to any particular statement. As you do here.

Because I've literally never misused it before.

I don't know where you all get off making vague claims when you lack the courage or the conviction to actually state disagreement in any particular instance, but you've got it all wrong. You have cockiness but not experience or confidence. You have the order wrong. You're supposed to get a clue and the confidence to talk about it before you become vaguely arrogant about it later. It's awkward.


Einstein,

I challenge you to inform us of how it's insightful. Nobody is surprised that idiots leave comments on anything. The fact that you remarked about a particular website suggests that you don't have a point, because all websites with any traffic get stupid comments. It's completely unremarkable that infowars.com gets the same comments as everywhere else.

Your point is? I dare you to tell us.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

29 (edited by Einstein 10-Apr-2013 01:15:03)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

We challenge you on damn near everything but you WON'T LISTEN!

Your bombastic, head in the sand, lalalalala, fu all, hail dictator for life Libertarian leader of the election, fu all, drag a conversation out, make less sense than a universal healthcare system taxing the healthcare system to pay for itself, cant keep on topic, repeated monlogues, cant keep on topic, repeated monlogues, lump all into one category even if evidence shows otherwise, backpedaling when caught lumping badly, which means Ron Paul is an anti-Christ since he is also a Republican, oops maybe not all Republicans are evil you say, anarchic, dystopic, bellicose, I am shouting so why dont you agree with me and be my puppet, head in the sand, ignore evil unless you think it started in the U.S., tinfoil hat comments, paranoid of everything, doped up, disorganized, disheveled attitude is never going to win you ANYTHING.

Thank the Lord you are such a horrible statesman you turn people away the moment they read your words instead of being lured into the false religion of Libertariansim.



/rant

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

30 (edited by V. Kemp 10-Apr-2013 01:37:57)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Failure to provide a point and more vague ranting, as expected.

Don't take your frustration at your inability to have a simple conversation out on me. The failure is all yours. It's not my fault for pointing it out. I'm doing you a favor. I can't force you to benefit from it. If you choose not to, that failure is yours too.

Your diatribes are all vague because you're unable or unwilling to discuss simple topics and simple points I make regarding them. You never actually disagree with anything I say in the threads which obviously enrage you, you completely ignore the topic and literally everything I've actually said about it. You just get mad and vaguely rant later, as you do here.

Everything you've stated here is false and hypocritical. Maybe you should work on you more and speak in public less in the mean time.

My remarks to you in this thread were 100% on topic. As usual. Your response was 100% rant about me, COMPLETELY ignoring the topic. As usual.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

31 (edited by The Great Eye 10-Apr-2013 02:06:57)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Mister Spock wrote:

The Great Eye,

You've never disputed my use of it before. Neither has The Yell, he just vaguely claims that I've misused it after a few uses without committing to any particular statement. As you do here.

Because I've literally never misused it before.

I don't know where you all get off making vague claims when you lack the courage or the conviction to actually state disagreement in any particular instance, but you've got it all wrong. You have cockiness but not experience or confidence. You have the order wrong. You're supposed to get a clue and the confidence to talk about it before you become vaguely arrogant about it later. It's awkward.


O RLY?


http://imperialconflict.com/forum/viewt … ?id=182550

The Great Eye wrote:

Am I missing something?  Please copy/paste for me the part where he literally says he wants to bomb out-of-combat Americans in America, so I know what you're talking about, cause I could be missing it here.  Cause remember, you're saying he "literally" said he wanted the right to bomb out-of-combat Americans.  If it's literal, as you say, there should be a quote outright saying exactly that.  I'm not seeing it.

This in response to this quote:

Mister Spock wrote:

Obviously they wanted to retain the ability to bomb Americans not in combat in America. They literally said so.

Which was a quote using this to support the statement:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/0 … 13857.html

"The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," Holder wrote.

"For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001," Holder continued, referring to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Holder said he would "examine the particular facts and circumstances" if such an emergency were to arise.




And, when given a follow-up link, sworn under oath, from that same guy, explaining that attacks beyond an imminent threat scenario would be unconstitutional... the reply included:

Mister Spock wrote:

This is why I'm not fixated on the specific language used. They're lawyers and politicians. They're liars. They stretch words and mislead worse than I ever legally could, and I'm in advertising.


So yes.  I have disputed your bastardization of the word "literally" before, very much on point.  At that point, it was clear that "literally" simply didn't mean to you what it means to the rest of the world, and instead simply means "I want to make this point sound REALLY important."  tongue


I'll take your apology at any time.  Thanks!

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

32 (edited by V. Kemp 10-Apr-2013 04:02:35)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

I was right, you're just void of common sense and American tradition.

Eric Holder is a lawyer. He claimed not to be concerned with the specific language used, despite the fact that his language on the topic has always been very carefully chosen.

Very carefully chosen to not rule out exactly what I said he literally wasn't ruling out.

He doesn't have to say "We reserve the right to bomb you" to literally admit that he reserves the right to bomb us. "Well there are some circumstances in which we might bomb you (implying possession of the right, obviously)" is factually the same information. It's literally the same information. He doesn't have to literally say the exact words to literally convey the same meaning.

You misunderstand the word and you're trying to accuse me of ignorance of language because you disagree on content. So you disagree over whether or not he expressed certain meaning. That's a legitimate dispute you're not making because it'd get silly for your position very quickly--you're quoting a lawyer saying he didn't really evaluate the specific language, which is riduclous, and you're claiming to believe him.

So instead of you squabble over my use of the word "literally." Which is irrelevant. So you disagree with my point, resulting in your position that my use of the word is not appropriate. Shouldn't we be talking about my point, not my use a word which you only dispute the appropriateness of because you disagree with that point?

Holder never said that "that attacks beyond an imminent threat scenario would be unconstitutional." He redefines the words like "threat" and "imminent," and he went to great pains to NOT rule out the legal authority to bomb anyone, anywhere, ever. He only committed to a very few vague words which he obviously has loose definitions of and can stretch to mean pretty much anything. Went to great pains not to use meaningful language to define any limitations on the administration's power.

Given that you have so much trouble with Holder's language, it's even more humorous that you're ranting about my use of a word. Your disagreement is with content. Your opinion that I misuse the word is a result of your position on content. If you want to grow up and talk about content, I'll be here. Maybe if you win that debate I'll admit that my use of the word "literally" in this case wasn't accurate.

But of course, you're arguing that Holder wasn't lying when he said he didn't concern himself with the specific language. Which is ridiculous on its face. You're arguing that he ruled anything in particular as under the authority of the administration to do. Which is, again, ridiculous on its face. You could make the argument that you've listened to all the testimony and have concluded, with your educated legal mind, that he specifically ruled out X, Y, and Z, with real meaningful language, but you're not going to attempt to do that here because he didn't do it.

He literally ruled out nothing. By redefining words like "threat," "combatant," "imminent," "security," etc, he painstaking chose his language specifically to not claim any limits on the president's legal authority (and he went further, to claim that any high ranking administration official has this power) to bomb anyone has any limitations. His reference to anything being beyond the president's power was extremely vague and couldn't rule anything out, given his new definitions of the words he used.

But rather than make any argument that I'm wrong--that he didn't literally leave open the door to anything--you're just crying about my use of the word "literally." So tell us, what did he rule out? Because he can call all kinds of things a threat:

They've already bombed an American citizen driving home from lunch at a cafe. He wasn't a combatant--he wasn't armed. He wasn't a threat--he was involved in no known plans to harm America. Nothing was "imminent"--He was in another country driving a civilian automobile.

And Holder didn't rule out bombing someone in precisely the same scenario here. I count that as "literally" not restraining administration power. How exactly am I wrong? What limitations did he put on administration power? That it can only bomb combatants in war, while we're at endless war and unarmed people driving home from lunch are combatants? By those definitions, which mean literally nothing (ie, the words can mean literally anything), Holder literally limited Administration power in no way whatsoever.

That's my position. I've explained it, while others have spammed void of any content and harassed me. If you want to disagree with position, that'd be swell. Because obsessing with a subsequent disagreement with language based upon disagreement with my position is silly and entirely unproductive. No, you didn't just have a "gotcha" moment, you just revealed a lack of understanding of the bigger picture in which your disagreement is situated and dependent upon.

I'm not interested in an apology. I am enjoying our discourse!

In this thread I simply stated that stupid comments are posted on "literally" every type of blog/article. Given this, I asked why Einstein thought it was relevant that a particular article had stupid comments posted to it. Simple question. Simple context. No answer, just harassment and spam.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

33 (edited by The Great Eye 10-Apr-2013 05:17:35)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

And I'd love to continue the argument, but I'm way too busy irl... jeez, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. X(

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

Re: -- Read the Comments --

7 paragraphs on Ric Holder, 5 attacking Zarf, and 2 miscellaneous paragraphs which could be condenced to 2.5 paragrapsh (and smaller ones than Kemp usually uses).

Reminds me of Obama

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

35 (edited by V. Kemp 10-Apr-2013 05:20:40)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

I didn't attack Zarf, I made an argument for my position. I neither accuse him of being evil or stupid, nor do I believe either to be so.

I respect him enough to explain my position as well as I am capable. And explain that our disagreement of my use of the word "literally" is dependent upon another disagreement, and that that's the disagreement worth discussing (discussing the word by itself is pointless).

You have no such respect for anyone. You don't respond to what anyone's posted that you disagree with. You don't even specify what you disagree with. You just whine and harass, spamming entirely off-topic, irrelevant personal feelings. I'm talking about this specific thread (though you do it in most threads), not vaguely ranting as you are.

I asked you a simple question regarding the supposed point of this thread, which is nonexistent. I explained the context of this question--how and why it was obvious you had no point. You haven't answered this simple question. Too difficult for you? I suggested that you didn't have a point--that there was no legitimate purpose to pointing out that one website gets silly comments when all websites do. You haven't disagreed. Point conceded. Threat pointless.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Ahh, but it is fun denying you until I decide time is up.

I like watching you squirm, false rationalize, and pontificate.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

You're incoherent. You're not talking about anything going on here.

Denying me? I don't care if you want to rant like a psychopath and embarrass yourself, whining off-topic with absolutely nothing to say about the topic of the thread.

Squirm? Again, it doesn't make me squirm for you to ramble incoherently and embarrass yourself.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Thank Jesus that you can never stop your method, you turn everyone fro  Libertarianism! Sadly some go liberal, but some will become Conservatives and never fall into the false religion of Libertarianism, all thanks to how Kemp is!

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

39 (edited by V. Kemp 10-Apr-2013 07:14:08)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Whatever off-topic rants make you happy.

Your obsession with other people's sex lives, and your disdain for liberty, aren't attracting anyone to Conservatism.

A false drug "war" in which the CIA sells drugs at massively increased prices isn't attracting anyone to Conservatism either.

Libertarians value this thing called individual liberty. You should look it up. It's pretty cool. I understand that freedom scares you, but the history of America shows that adults thrive with it when people like you who want it taken away don't achieve too much power.

Your thread has no point to offer, nor do your random ramblings about Libertarians.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: -- Read the Comments --

CIA.... nice tinfoil hat

Sex? Naw, just dont steal our title for unions of the heart.



Peddle your LIES elsewhere.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

41 (edited by V. Kemp 10-Apr-2013 07:51:08)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

"Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke"
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl … e-20121213

Oh look, I actually responded to what you said and gave you something to learn about if you care to.

There're plenty of accounts of soldiers in Afghanistan guarding opium fields. If you feel more comfortable living in a box constructed by authoritarians who comfort you with the fact that others willfully live in the same box of ignorance as you, that's your choice. But it's hardly an argument for your head-in-the-sand positions.

You're just as much a pawn of authoritarians seeking to abolish the Bill of Rights as socialists demanding welfare as a right for generations, refusing to examine its (or, perhaps, the way it is given out) horrible effects on the American family.

The poor of that camp are kept in line by being kept dependent on government. Those not dependent on government financially of that camp are dependent on government morally, seeking to elevate government to the position of God making everything right on Earth, willing to give up all of their rights in order to feel morally righteous by doing no more than paying their taxes.

You are similarly kept in line by being told that you have to vote Republican or you're gay. You're kept in line by being told that, if you actually think about any of the admitted lies you believe, you won't be a part of the big Republican group. God forbid your admittedly false beliefs aren't shared by the biggest group possible! You wouldn't have as many cheerleaders! Forget being right, you need cheerleaders to make you feel better about yourself!

Thinking is hard. It's easier to deny everything your authoritarian leaders haven't told you to believe. Nevermind that you probably voted for Romney, whose party wrote as much of the Affordable Care Act as Democrats did--you can't give up your cheerleaders for the sake of being educated and being right! Cheerleaders are more valuable than liberty!

Both groups are like children who want nothing more than to be on the winning team. You just want your guy to win, regardless that government grows and liberty dies under both parties. Obama fans don't care that employment is down and wages are down, their team won! And you don't care that Republicans always expand government and attack the Bill of Rights (with different focuses), as long as your team wins!

You claim to be a "Conservative," a group supposedly valuing small government and individual liberty. Yet the Republican party you support values neither of these things, and hasn't for a century. They throw you a few bones, and there are a few exceptions allowed to run on the party ticket to keep you hopeful for change, but the party has never actually voted for nor passed legislation consistent with these values.

You're obsessed with homosexuals and drug laws (which it's a historical fact were enacted for reasons of cronyism [hemp is an awesome plant for all kinds of reasons], not health) because that's what your authoritarian shepherds tell you to worry about. They want you worried about this stuff (which is cultural: government laws have never had any significant impact on either) so that you'll keep voting Republican. Despite the fact that Republicans consistently acted against every "Conservative" principle you claim to have.

They want America divided, and you take the bait. You vote for a corrupt big-government, authoritarian party because they have you paranoid over issues which government has no control over. Good sheep.

You aren't proving anything by refusing to talk about topics you bring up, except perhaps that you are not a man of conviction nor education.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

42 (edited by Einstein 10-Apr-2013 08:16:10)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

The majority of legal opium is provided from Afghanistan last I looked

Opium is the base for a number of painkillers including Morphine (my grandpa used this as he was dying of cancer to manage pain), coedine (been on that when I was shot), and in diluted form for a wide variety of other brand names.

Poppy seeds are also a popular food product and is used especially on bread products.



Really you should stop wearing that silly tinfoil hat so much.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

And Kemp.

Bet everything except your soul on your statement. Especially yhat Bill of Rights section.

I would love to give you a payment plan to lease to own that stuff.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

And I am a valued member of a Tea Party Leadership group, where we strategize on taking over States from the Establishment. And guess what... were winning in our efforts. I am happy who I am associated with and with my coming paper for our efforts. My whitepaper will be a leading guideline for our efforts.

Being recruiter by some of the biggest and best Tea Party activists for a background coordination and leadership position in our effort is something I value. Though I failed to recruit Chris into it twice my coming contribution will change our efforts for the better.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Haha now you support drug use!

That explains so much.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: -- Read the Comments --

You've never disputed my use of it before. Neither has The Yell, he just vaguely claims that I've misused it after a few uses without committing to any particular statement. As you do here.
Because I've literally never misused it before.
I don't know where you all get off making vague claims when you lack the courage or the conviction to actually state disagreement in any particular instance, but you've got it all wrong. You have cockiness but not experience or confidence. You have the order wrong. You're supposed to get a clue and the confidence to talk about it before you become vaguely arrogant about it later. It's awkward.

So instead of you squabble over my use of the word "literally." Which is irrelevant. So you disagree with my point, resulting in your position that my use of the word is not appropriate. Shouldn't we be talking about my point, not my use a word which you only dispute the appropriateness of because you disagree with that point?

You claim you're right, you've always been right, everybody admits you're right in the privacy of their homes, their public arguments against you are weak, lacking confidence; you are surrounded by shameful and weak people who fail in their duty to sit back and let you drive, instead succumbing to sinful pride and arrogant bluster.

Then, having been as insulting as possible, when you're hit with the hard facts against you, you complain we're wasting time ignoring the real issue, which is, how to admit you're right.

I only take the time to point out, this is how Ron Paul and his crew operate nationally, which is why they can't get 10% of Republicans, who are 28% of the 50% who bother to vote.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: -- Read the Comments --

The Yell wrote:

You've never disputed my use of it before. Neither has The Yell, he just vaguely claims that I've misused it after a few uses without committing to any particular statement. As you do here.
Because I've literally never misused it before.
I don't know where you all get off making vague claims when you lack the courage or the conviction to actually state disagreement in any particular instance, but you've got it all wrong. You have cockiness but not experience or confidence. You have the order wrong. You're supposed to get a clue and the confidence to talk about it before you become vaguely arrogant about it later. It's awkward.

So instead of you squabble over my use of the word "literally." Which is irrelevant. So you disagree with my point, resulting in your position that my use of the word is not appropriate. Shouldn't we be talking about my point, not my use a word which you only dispute the appropriateness of because you disagree with that point?

You claim you're right, you've always been right, everybody admits you're right in the privacy of their homes, their public arguments against you are weak, lacking confidence; you are surrounded by shameful and weak people who fail in their duty to sit back and let you drive, instead succumbing to sinful pride and arrogant bluster.

Then, having been as insulting as possible, when you're hit with the hard facts against you, you complain we're wasting time ignoring the real issue, which is, how to admit you're right.

I only take the time to point out, this is how Ron Paul and his crew operate nationally, which is why they can't get 10% of Republicans, who are 28% of the 50% who bother to vote.

And Kemp could never get 1% with his attitude. At least Ron Paul has people go over his stuff and try to moderate his words to appeal to a greater number. Kemp just hits the face of anyone disagreeing saying "eat your organicly grown peas and smoke your pot and your entire life will be better. That or I will hit you again!"

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

The Yell,

You're just whining vaguely, responding to things I never said. It's just spam. Facts against me? None of you spineless wimps has the nerve to actually respond to anything I've said. This has been going on for weeks and various threads.

You aren't making any arguments against anything I've said. You're not even responding to what I said. You don't even have the spine to state what it is I said you disagree with. You're just vaguely whining. You're just spamming.

Einstein similarly just rants about things I never said, because he has to make up radical views for me because what I actually said is clearly beyond his capacity to respond to.

And the ridiculously embarrassing childishness of your conduct is lost on you. So keep crying. At least it's hilarious.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Si back to ignoring you

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: -- Read the Comments --

Nobody cares. You're just spamming.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]