26 (edited by Justinian I 20-Mar-2013 06:13:45)

Re: GOP Consultants: A Racket?

Mister Spock wrote:

You have absolutely no empirical data to support your supposed aggregate.

Your position is entirely based upon a fictional narrative you've made up.

You say that you believe that women understand their risks just fine, then you go on to repeat that they're unable to make rational decisions regarding those risks and their lives and need help.

Tell us more about women. You're obviously an expert.

Way to circle around the issue, Kemp. I would be happy to give you empirical data, but not until you give up your non-sequitur and apologize or prove it valid. What additional claims I made about women, while I believe them to be true, were intended to be counter examples. Even if you dispute their truth, the fact that they could be true, or that they could apply to any so called oppressed group, is sufficient to disprove your non-sequitur.

Regardless, there is no point arguing with you over disputes of fact when we have a dispute of logical implication. You said that B follows from A, now prove it or man up and admit you are wrong.

(A) If women commonly engage in risky and unwanted sex because our culture and institutions accrue privileges in sexual negotiation to men, then (B) women are intellectually and morally inferior to men.

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All you've got is a massive assumption. I don't need any form of logical argumentation to point it out.

Maybe women commonly engage in risky sex because they want to have it. Maybe they commonly engage in it despite risks because they're trashy human beings who desire attention and orgasms more than they are responsible people who care about the risks.

Why would women engage in unwanted sex? Most can find plenty of wanted sex. In my experience, they both seek it and quite enjoy it.

Your entire theory is baseless and, I suspect, rooted in some psychological disturbance you suffer from relating to the opposite sex.

Women need special help because of some generalized societal view forced upon them? What would you know about societal trends, creep?

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28 (edited by Justinian I 20-Mar-2013 08:27:09)

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Kemp,

Seriously. Prove how B follows from A! Or, admit that it doesn't and stop assuming it does.

29 (edited by V. Kemp 25-Mar-2013 22:31:04)

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The obligation is yours to prove that women do in fact engage in such risky behavior more often than men.

The obligation is yours to prove that culture and institutions are responsible for such a distinction in behavior between the sexes, if you can first prove that such a distinction exists. I simply presumed you were referencing an intellectual limitation because you provided evidence of nothing else.

Obviously you have evidence of neither, in addition to being able to offer absolutely no evidence of anything else you've said.

You've got faith in your own theory and you'll be damned if anybody questions it. You have faith, so you offer us absolutely no evidence to consider.

You're claiming that women make more risky decisions than men then attributing it to cultural (sociological) factors. Granted, you can claim any unverified trend you want (as you do here) differentiating the sexes and explain it via sociological factors and claim it's not sexist, because the distinguishing factors are external.

But you haven't ruled out a sexist explanation of the difference you allege between sexes either. After all, both sexes are exposed to a large amount of a great variety of socializing factors. Bear in mind that your own experiences are obviously quite bizarre and not representative of norms or those of the average male.

You're simply throwing out a baseless theory and there's no reason to argue against it. You've got no evidence to offer, so there's nothing to consider. That's why you're just repeating "gotcha" attempts at tying me to a particular logical argument you suppose I'm making, and making exclusively.

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30 (edited by The Yell 25-Mar-2013 15:43:58)

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http://conservative.org/cpac/2013/

No mention of Caddell or video of his speech.  Memory Hole!


BTW Caddell attacked one party, and the CPAC conference has the Libertarian Party VP nominee from 2008 speaking at its conference.  So it's not about loyalty to the GOP...could it be... $$$$$$$$$$?

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Re: GOP Consultants: A Racket?

Mister Spock wrote:

The obligation is yours to prove that women do in fact engage in such risky behavior more often than men.

The obligation is yours to prove that culture and institutions are responsible for such a distinction in behavior between the sexes, if you can first prove that such a distinction exists. I simply presumed you were referencing an intellectual limitation because you provided evidence of nothing else.

Obviously you have evidence of neither, in addition to being able to offer absolutely no evidence of anything else you've said.

You've got faith in your own theory and you'll be damned if anybody questions it. You have faith, so you offer us absolutely no evidence to consider.

You're claiming that women make more risky decisions than men then attributing it to cultural (sociological) factors. Granted, you can claim any unverified trend you want (as you do here) differentiating the sexes and explain it via sociological factors and claim it's not sexist, because the distinguishing factors are external.

But you haven't ruled out a sexist explanation of the difference you allege between sexes either. After all, both sexes are exposed to a large amount of a great variety of socializing factors. Bear in mind that your own experiences are obviously quite bizarre and not representative of norms or those of the average male.

You're simply throwing out a baseless theory and there's no reason to argue against it. You've got no evidence to offer, so there's nothing to consider. That's why you're just repeating "gotcha" attempts at tying me to a particular logical argument you suppose I'm making, and making exclusively.

Okay Kemp. I still say you are being rude, but you seem to understand my point well enough. I'll reply to you later this week or next, because it will take some time to provide such evidence. But for now, I have real life concerns to attend to, which takes precedence over an IC post.

32 (edited by V. Kemp 26-Mar-2013 04:07:27)

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Whenever you make more broad claims about how women are supposedly pressured to make bad decisions significantly more than men, I'm going to point out the obvious double standard of many parts of our society idealizing promiscuous men and judging promiscuous women harshly.

You've got nothing. tongue

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