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> bretthepet wrote:
> I pay 10 dollars every 3 months for 7 years just to help dupport ic community if this is not corrected if there is no action taken ill never pay another cent.
Planning a war when a family is off is 100% legitment whay a new low for ic
Yes but not when it is a nap break like it was in this case.
Wasnt a nap break, nothing was in the nap about a set date.
the only thing i went back on was mine and WSs verbal agreement.
its not the same.
doesnt ur shift at mcdonalds start soon?
> Render wrote:
> > bretthepet wrote:
Planning a war when a family is off is 100% legitment whay a new low for ic
that's korrekt and part of the strategy in a strategy game.
I dont know of any player playing RISK and going vmode when he's gonna be attaked just bkause he knows he's losing
Mods should akt and remove the vmode from this kowards and forze them to fight or die.
This said, Lee you'r not eksaktly the most legit to denounze this situation, sinze your retreatment last PW round, you're just finding your mirror image and now you found it irritating, take that! 
And like you said it is a strategy game. No one said that people are in vmode just to hide. It is a stage in a plan to fight. Lee violated our nap agreement, people couldn't be on at the time of the nap break so they used vacation mode as it was intended.
Directly from the Guide:
Enter vacation mode
If you are going away for some time and don't want your planets to belong to your enemy when you return, you can go into vacation mode.
Not everyone went to vmode. If they could fight today they stayed out. I am fighting 84 as we speak!
There is no running from this fight here, it's just been strategically rescheduled to be closer to the agreed upon war date that was broken by Lee.
I love how people whine about things and want to contribute 'only' when it affects them 
This has been discussed plenty of times, and more recently here:
http://imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=177815
But due to lack of people's feedback on Ideas on how to make it better, nothing was done.
V mode should just be removed...or a go to mod option.
u givea mod dates. when u leave and when u come back.
I am actually away. I'm my family's top banker. I saved what I could, and went to vmode. I do not have time for this war. Any war really. Look at the rape I had from 70/80 as proof of that.
I'm using vmode in its ability, no different than its been used before. I do not have proper time to set my defenses and wait, so I chose the vmode option. I never once admitted to abusing anything in chat, so stop your lying about that.
yeah but you have enough time to log on now, and to be on in pinwheel
I am at work. Pinwheel is a lot less work, and I still have mod duties to fulfill so I jump online during my breaks. I also play 90% of my time from a mobile now. Ever try to deport 150 planets from your phone or station fleet? Considering g time and effort, vmode was the better option and I sit this war out.
as per josh's post, its a bad time for most of my players since its sunday morning! so i gave my fam time off to rest from the tyrannical rule of mine!
oh, and being online in IC and IRC doesnt mean that u are active enough to fight in a war. someone can be on vacation but still able to login to chat for a bit or just read forums, just not active enough to be stationed at the computer to fight a war.
So rather then to use vacation mode for vacation, its now a tool for when you're less active then you want to be at some point to postpone that point?
I dont think thats the whole intention for this ability. What happened now is done but I think there should be looked into cause we all say that planning for a war is also being able to tell when you're enemies are vulnerable etc. and on which times they login or not login.
Pretty much downgrades the whole planning for a war.
It's being discussed.
Just want to point out that no one would have been in vmode if a nap hadn't been broken and war occurred when it was supposed to^
Punishing dishonorable players should be a higher priority than any of this other stuff.
When you typically see families go into vmode, it is generally due to 2 different reasons.
1. A nap was broken.
2. A family decides to save up and vulture another family immediately after the other family gets out of a war and has no savings vs a fam that has saved for days.
There are certain players that every single round are involved in dishonorable and rule breaking activities, that is what needs to be lessened, can't be stopped completely of course. Precident is there for 30 day bans over "attitude against the better of the game" for actions far less as bad as some of the stuff that happens every round by a handful of players.
I disagree with punishing dishonorable actions with blocks. It is just too hard to qualify such a thing because opinions on what is good or bad vary even amongst the staff.
The right thing to do is to work on the features involved. We are discussing this now with vmode and there are ideas in the works for improved NAP handling.
We can't ever stop people from being jerks, but we can work on the features to effect their ability to do so. That is the right move in my opinion, and one that will require less human involvement in the end, which is a good thing.
Remove vmode is going to work in the way of the dishonorable players =p
not really, 2 rounds ago, my first place team cancels on 2nd place.
there team jumps into p mode.
they are dishonorable to V mode, when if you just fight you would lose less. but you cant seem to lose some pride now can you>?
I mean there are times when it is used just to hide and annoy a family like in the case with arby3's family, but it is also used in a strategic way to counter balance the dishonorable nap breaking actions of an opponent like Lee. in the case of my alliance.
I agree that the players are using it to punish other players within their own power. I don't necessarily disagree with that practice.
However, if players had a better way to control their NAPs in the first place such a thing wouldn't be necessary. That is where our job as devs come into play.
yep. so this discussion of vmode abuse and the removal of vmode is not gonna result in its removal. people do go for vacations and there has to be an option to go into vmode.
addressing Mizzle's post, when people go on vacation, most places now have wifi, so does that mean that u have to login because u have wifi? people can choose to come on chat or just not login to IC altogether. They are still on vacation. If a player goes on vacation and doesnt want to be hassled into logging in to do retakes, they must be allowed to do so. Thats what vmode is for.
Wasn't the vmode abuse block for people who used it to explore/portal?
u cant explore and portal now. exploring new planets will prevent u from using vmode. same with intra family attacks. they are considered hostile actions
Well dsup you know as well as I do the majority of the people who are now in vmode arent really on a vacation. So therefor its still being used for other purposes as it was intended for.
> missin wrote:
> Wasn't the vmode abuse block for people who used it to explore/portal?
way back it had been, but that was fixed with all production and construction stoping in vmode.
Essentially, when you enter vmode, your empire freezes until you come out.
Most vmode abuse now is players using it to avoid losing planets.
For example:
Fam A saves up for a war with Fam B.
the tick before the war starts, all the bankers in Fam A aid out their cash then go into vmode so they don't get attacked.
Of course this eliminates the cash flow for Fam A, but now a days, wars are so short that they don't require a constant cash flow.
What exactly is this feedback on?
well cant speak for allies or 73, but i gave my fam a vacation so all of them are on vmode! tbh they are enjoying it very much! seeing that josh stayed out to fight, maybe most of allies are on vacation??
in any case, vacation mode is smth that cannot be removed. thats my entire point here. There may be fams that use this function in other means that it is meant for, but u cant punish those people who really are on vacation from using this function.
I wouldn't say that we can't remove it. We can do anything as long as its for the right reasons.
Imo, the benefit of providing safety for people who actually are on vacation is not worth the cost of people using it to avoid wars. Besides, if people are going to be away from the game, their lack of presence should be a factor to be considered by the family's long term defensive planning.
I am personally not a fan of vmode, even when used legitimately.
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