1 (edited by Einstein 16-Mar-2013 01:06:31)

Topic: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

Ok I need to examine their lineup more but Washington Times owner says he is making a 24/7 news station to the right of Fox News.

One of their shows will guage proposals and laws on.... The Constitution!


As we Conservatives know Fox News is a center left news branch.

Geraldo is hard left, O'Reilly is Center Left, only two personalities are right of Center to me and they don't push hard enough.


This is going to be fun... Liberal talking heads will explnode nonstop

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

It is to the "right."

The fact is, the "right" is just a different brand of globalist tyranny politics.

If your views on immigration, birth control, abortion, socialized medicine, social safety nets, personal liberties, and laws regarding marriage/adoption and homosexuality all fit neatly with the "right" or "left" of globalist Amerikan politics, face it: You're a globalist. You're settling for the lesser of the evils they offer you, based upon your personal choices and priorities. Literally everyone you've ever supported has been chosen by them for you and has furthered their goals when in power.

Literally every one of Fox News' anchors and personalities is a globalist. Including their business network.

I'd go on, but since you literally have no idea what the Federal Reserve is or that we've given trillions to international bankers in the past few years, or that most of our debt is theirs, why bother.

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Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

"If your views on immigration, birth control, abortion, socialized medicine, social safety nets, personal liberties, and laws regarding marriage/adoption and homosexuality all fit neatly with the "right" or "left" of globalist Amerikan politics, face it: You're a globalist. "

And if you banned the Federal Reserve and had taxpayer funded drug use and abortion, it would be a better america?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

4 (edited by V. Kemp 16-Mar-2013 02:48:21)

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

False dichotomy + straw man argument. Nobody is interested in dishonesty.

Additionally, you didn't respond to the point in any way whatsoever. I think I left out gun rights, for instance. Does any position on gun rights necessarily tie in to particular views on social safety nets, how extensive (and expensive) they are, or how they're structured? No. But the "left" vs "right" oversimplification of political philosophy (also a false dichotomy) would presume you're so base and uneducated as to think so.

That was the point I was making.

I'm against using violence to kill babies whenever it's convenient. Obviously I'm against government funding such violence even before that.

I'm against the use of drugs. They ruin lives and kill people. I merely mentioned the fact that some people think our laws on this topic are unproductive and more harmful than good, if good at all. I mentioned it in light of the fact that their views on this topic do not necessarily tie in to their views on abortion, for instance. They're not a packaged deal. By virtually no conceivable foundations of logic does a position on one necessitate a particular position on the other.

That's the point I was making. That's all I was saying. I offered no positions on these topics I mentioned to make the point. I offered no judgements of others' positions. I showed no interest in the topics themselves beyond their relevance to that point at all.

Have any thoughts on that point? Fallacious arguments aren't furthering discussion or enlightening anyone. tongue

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Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

NOT AGAIN.  I QUOTED YOU. 

You said whether I had an opinion to the left or right on all those issues it didn't matter because I wasn't on board with you about the Federal Reserve.  You really think NONE of those things you mentioned matter?  If we had the Left's vision of the welfare state and got rid of the Federal Reserve, we'd have a better America?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

6 (edited by V. Kemp 16-Mar-2013 02:54:58)

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

I did not claim that none of those things I mentioned matter. I obviously have very strong opinions on all of them. None of them are relevant to the point I made. None of them are relevant to the topic of this thread: "Fox News" being to the "right." That means that "right" and "left" being mostly the same on important topics is relevant. That means that the topic of how they're the same, and Fox is both "right" (on abortion/Republicans/whatever) and "left" (on the Fed, overtaxation, overregulation [raw milk is illegal in the USA. It's not even in North Korea][you can't claim that water cures dehydration in the USA because the FDA {controlled by the pharmaceutical industry} only allows drug companies to make such claims after millions in bribes and decades in research], and the plethora of major stories that Fox completely ignores just like the other cable networks and broadcast networks.) at the same time is relevant.

I'm not sure how making this point suggests that I don't think any topic matters. But not all topics are relevant to this point I make, nor the topic of this thread which this point pertains to.

Obviously I think that Einstein's claim that Fox News is to the "left" has validity, while at the same time I see it support views on the "right" on some topics as well. My point gives context to how and why this is so, in my humble opinion of course.

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Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

O'Reilly is center left?

Ahahahahaha!

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

You should agree with me, or you missed the bus

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

I love how Kemp destroys ANY CHANCE of anyone siding with him. Utter and complete self destruction.

I am for drugs but I am against drugs with 500 added words designed to make it seem like I am smart.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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10 (edited by Justinian I 16-Mar-2013 07:44:07)

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

Oh, Kemp's an intelligent individual. That said, there's no point arguing with him in depth because:
a. He'll repeatably miss the point and then carry the debate around in circles
b. He loosely labels anyone he disagrees with some sort of insult

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

Einstein, you're just whining because my posts are above your reading level. As usual, you offer absolutely no comment on anything I said, let alone any argument against it.

I merely mentioned the drugs topic because one's views on it do not logically necessarily tie into views on gun laws, social welfare laws, gay adoption laws, etc. Yet this simple point is over your head. You're so dense that you see the topic and you lose all grasp of the context it's being mentioned in and that anyone's views on that topic aren't relevant to the topic.

Are you seriously this incapable of talking about a topic, or do I enrage you so much that you lose all capacity for rational thought?

Justinian I similarly whines vaguely without offering a single thought on anything I've said.

You guys have literally not voiced disagreement with a single thing I said. Not one. It's not like you disagreed with me and I irrationally/illogically "missed the point" and rambled in response. You literally didn't disagree with a single thing I said. You have absolutely no basis for your ridiculous notions that you somehow occupy an intellectual high ground.

Face it, if you can't even state a single disagreement with a single thing I said. It was over your heads. Maybe you should spend more time thinking before posting. You're just embarrassing yourselves. I'm posting about the topic. You're not.

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Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

I'm not sure where you're at in relation to this topic.

Fox has gone limp.  Fox Business News retains the spirit, but Fox News is just pap.  They got spanked when the Egyptian revolt revealed they had no assets overseas to talk about the world, and now they decided to stop snarking on Obama so hard.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

13 (edited by Little Paul 16-Mar-2013 19:06:48)

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

"Oh, Kemp's an intelligent individual. That said, there's no point arguing with him in depth because:
a. He'll repeatably miss the point and then carry the debate around in circles
b. He loosely labels anyone he disagrees with some sort of insult"
I bet most people who had a discussion with him think that way. I picture him far to emotional/impulsive despite the fact he sure has the ability for rational logic thinking.

14 (edited by V. Kemp 16-Mar-2013 19:21:34)

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

This is hilarious.

Everything I said was 100% about the topic. Every single one of you has refused to address a single thing I've said or the topic in any way. You're whining emotionally while calling my 100% content post emotional.

Yes, at the end of my post I pointed out that the topics which Fox won't cover (the topics on which they support with both Democrats and Republicans) are confusing to Einstein and he has refused to address them on any level, ever, because he doesn't understand them. That failure on his part is relevant to the topic because it directly explains why I disagree with him: The reasons that my views differ from his are because of facts he doesn't understand. I explained what those differences are.

I can understand not appreciating my blunt honesty, but to pretend that my post was filled with such emotional content because of one not particularly complimentary remark (which was relevant to the topic) at the end of the post is childish, emotional, and ridiculous.

This is really funny though. Thanks. Tell me more.

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Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

Kemp I dare you, for a week, to post less than 100 words per post, keep your posts concise, on target, and without trying to slam attack. I sincerely doubt you can, but meh....


Btw quit listening to Alex Jones

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16 (edited by V. Kemp 17-Mar-2013 05:41:18)

Re: And you thought Fox News was to the right!

Awww, QQ about length which is me being respectful enough to explain things on your level if only you could read.

Yes, Alex Jones has loonies on from time to time, and he entertains loony theories pretty often, but I can appreciate the honest attempts of a loon more than I can respect your willful ignorance. I appreciate that he talks about news Fox News (obviously you enjoy their theatre) won't cover. I appreciate that he has the balls to talk about things which obviously make you so uncomfortable they cause you to erupt in animalistic rage. I can look into stories on my own all I want. You can too! You should try it some time!

You've literally not responded to a single thing I've actually said here. QQ about word count. QQ about occasional Alex Jones-related news source.

I am concise. I am on target. I never try to "slam attack." I just addressed such embarrassing emotional responses to my content-driven posts in my previous post. Did you respond to a word of my 100% content-driven posts in this thread? No. Absolutely no response to a single thing I said. Did you respond to my previous post on the embarrassing and childish conduct of you and others in this thread? No. Absolutely no response to a single thing I said.

Vague whining is easy to do. You don't have to actually respond to a single thing anyone's said. But it's not insightful. And it's usually vague because it's not actually about anything that's been said; it's just crying, emotional whining.

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