Federal governments use schools for the purpose of conditioning children, not educating them. Globalists want good worker drones who keep their heads down and don't talk back.

Amen!

It would be one thing if parents homeschooled because the state sucked at it. However, it is because they don't want their children exposed to those sinners who teach sex ed and so on. To me, that looks like tyranny of the parent over their child.

Finally, it is conservative and business lobbies that are cutting classes that nurture critical thinking. No doubt, it's because they want good worker drones who don't question authority.

So, if you want children to question authority and learn civic virtue and critical thinking, parents aren't going to teach it to them.

you may be a good parent, but a system that is designed and combed to be effective at teaching critical processes should be better than one person single attempt at teaching thier child. and i also fear the perpetual religious beleif system we have today. you want to talk about "drone" people will do ANYTHING in the name of thier god without any rational thought being used. there is all kinds of reasons to fear that.

What freedom? Parents' right to do with their kids whatever they want to?

Let's be honest, most of you here are borderline morons but even you wouldn't want your kid being schooled by that couple fled from Germany.

Since most of you are US-Americans you'll know that the expression "religious fundamentalists", over centuries, meant protestant fundamentlists before we discovered that there can be even more stupid narrowminded people and now are honouring Al Quaida and Taliban with that expression. The US is full with them, in other countries we have other religious crazies and then all the nutcracks, alcoholics, with IQ below 45... heck, give the kids a break and let them out for a few hours each day (yeah, that's school).

My brothers were homeschooled

One is getting a doctorate in philosophy and has a teaching position at a university with his Masters. They both were 4 years ahead of standard students for test scores.

My sister homeschools her 5 children.... the oldest two exceed by far standard students and part of their education is martial arts.

twosidedeath,

Most public schools across America are designed to condition children to be drones. The notion that this same system is somehow better suited to raise critical-thinking children better than parents is a joke.

You're worried about our education system taking a dive? I'm going to guess you know nothing about our education system's performance compared to other developed nations (or all nations), nor do you have any children. Presumably if you had any children you'd be aware of what a joke our national statistics are when it comes to children coming out of public education systems.

It's great that your family homeschools so many of its children, Einstein. While we disagree on tons of things all the time, I certainly have more faith in your sister's ability to raise her children to be thinking human beings with the right values than I would ever give to government drone-conditioning institutions.

I find the notion that government needs to protect children from the values of their parents to be one of the most draconian, authoritarian notions I've ever seen supported on this forum. Every tyrant focuses on children. Man is mortal. Tyrants don't need to indoctrinate and brain wash adults who resist them if they can insidiously infect their children and make them docile.

Sure, not every parent will be the best home-schooling teacher ever. If the standards required of home schooling (academic standards) aren't rigorous enough, then they should be modified.

But government cannot legislate morality, and it is tyranny for it to try. And for everyone who advocated such here to support it. History is filled with examples of those with power seeking more. If you think this fundamental fact of human nature is magically gone now and globalist authoritarian government is suddenly docile and benevolent, you have every right to push that naive and idiotic world view on your children, be it via public schools or home schooling.

And I have every right to raise my children to be aware that yours are naive fools who actively give their support and votes to tyrants who want to use them as livestock. My wife is Russian. Please tell me more about how your livestock-conditioning centers can educate our children better than we could at home (which we would do if somehow private schools were not an option--being able to afford private schooling was the second financial consideration we made before having them, after purchasing a house). Tell me more about how government can raise our kids better than we can. I'm pretty sure my wife would be even more disgusted by that ridiculous notion than I am.

Some people just really hate freedom.

I think it's long past time that parents choose where the funding for their children's education goes to. And the department of education should be eliminated.

When parents and locally-elected school boards fail children, we need to stop making excuses as if it's the federal government's failure or fault. And direct attention where the real problem is: parents and locally-elected officials. 80% of NYC high school graduates can't read and need further education before they can attend NYC's own community colleges. Somebody's obviously not doing their job. We need to stop making excuses as if it's Washington DC's fault and combat actual problems.

"In the early years of Nazi Germany Hitler made home schooling children illegal. Children were sent to public schools and any parent who objected was fined until they could no longer afford to object. This of course was a part of Hitlers efforts to form the Nazi Youth Movement and the Hitler Youth. Children were taught in a manner that reinforced the ideals of the Government. Socialism was desirable, Communism was bad... Hitler is good, Germans are a pure race... and so forth."

Wrong.. homeschooling was outlawed in 1919, more then a decade before Hitler took power.

"However the allies after capturing Germany made a fatal mistake during the occupation. Planning to use schools to help unindoctrinate children they left a fatal flaw in place. Germany today now requires children to attend school only, no home schooling allowed. This has created a situation where parents who disagree with some portions of education try to home school only to get literally fined until they submit to the State."

You can teach your child whatever you like. You just also have to send your child to a public school.
Most (yes most.. not all)  people here who want to do homeschooling are religious motivated. Every child should have the chance to see a world outside that religion.. e.g. sexual education, science etc.
Most indoctrination happens in families, not schools.. if you have some religious nutshells as parents you can be very sure you will be brainwashed to be some religious nutshell aswell.
Also homeschooling can take away the whole social aspect. Childs may grow up without having contact to all the other social groups that exist in our society.
Just to make it clear again.. if its the child will not to have contact with those groups.. or if it wants to reject science its fine.. its the kids decision. The child will need to be of a certain age to be able to make such decisions. If it is only homeschooled until that age it may not be able to make such decisions because it is allready indoctrinated by whatever believe and wont know about the alternatives.

Public schools should just there to help the kids make such decisions.

"Astonishingly this law is there despite evidence from many other 1st World nations that a properly structured Home School system can actually exceed in some cases any public education. In most studies Home Schooled Children performed as well or better than their publicly schooled peers here in the United States"

Again.. you can teach your kid whatever you like. School here usually is over at noon.. lots of time for extra schooling at home afterwards.

And in the end.. no one has to "flee" from germany.. usually we let people go when they want to go.

Yes, it's freedom for a woman to be sheltered from the world and homeschooled by her parents, and taught that God commands her to serve her husband and one day give birth to lots of babies.

Freedom... for her pimp father.

Justinian I,

Have you any evidence that such horrible parenting is either more prevalent or more harmful than state-run schools which condition children to be mindless drones who keep their heads down and submit to authority, spending a minority of their days learning anything and little when they do?

Furthermore, if what you fear is remotely as harmful as many public schools, how do you propose that children be sheltered from such horrible parents? Such horrible parents still have their children a majority of the time outside of school. Such horrible parents are still the primary role models of their children, responsible for far more of their socialization than anybody else.

You clearly state your position that the state should take over parenting from parents, yet you are avoiding actually stating your position clearly or making any argument for it beyond "some parents are bad." Can we get some more clarity and less cowardice? You're advocating the state as primary holder of rights and sovereignty (the US constitution grants such things to individuals) and primary caretaker of children, yet you've hardly made a case for this draconian, authoritarian position that you are espousing here.

As The Yell points out, parents have every right on earth to protect their children from weirdos like you. Yes, I consider your whore-mongering, authoritarian chicken-sucking views to be disgusting, and I have every intention of keeping them out of the lives of my children until they're ready to understand human history, American history, and how ignorant cowards like you willingly submit to slavery and ruined America.

And that's my right, as protected under the Constitution, which gives neither you nor the collective majority (aka the mob) neither the lawful power to condition nor indoctrinate my children.

The point I'm making by disparaging your views on pretty much everything is that I have very different views from you, and nothing gives you the right to interfere with my raising of my children. I have a bachelors degree and my wife has a masters. Neither of us has ever had an STD. Neither of us has been divorced. Neither of us had children with anyone else. We make plenty of money to support our family. We're honest people; we do not lie, cheat, or steal. In my humble opinion, we're leaps and bounds above average.

And you want to tell me that the state has the obligation to push some collective, ignorant, uneducated mob's (or their sheepherders') perceptions of ideal socialization and morality on our children? Sure, some parents are bad. That's a cultural problem government cannot solve--if you're advocating something more like the Nazis had in mind of collective birthing and raising of children, please elaborate. The notion that government stepping in and pushing out parents in order to indoctrinate children, regardless of and against parents' wills, is an authoritarian atrocity. It's the disgusting filth that happened in the USSR resulting in children turning in their parents for sheltering and aiding political enemies of the state because they're human beings too and some people would prefer they eat warm meals, sleep indoors, and keep their heads located above their necks.

No wonder you haven't made an argument for your position beyond "well some hicks might not teech der childrens good!" I doubt you've given it a thought beyond that reasoning either. Because the notion that a mob can raise a child better than its parents is ridiculous.

You've been given the talking point that some parents are less than ideal, therefore the state must have absolute authority over children in order to ensure that bad parents can never do their children harm. Unthinkly, you embrace this authoritarian ideal without question.

I'm just saying there's literally no way brain-dead numbskulls like you are ever getting near my children, let alone in a position of authority. Public schools have been failing American children for decades, and you're demanding a bigger role for them in ruining future generations' lives and livelihoods. You might wanna think it over.

It's terrifying that sheeple are so thoughtless that they accept this crap. While we can afford private schooling, and we made it a point to be able to do so, not everyone can. I could be killed in a traffic accident tomorrow. It's possible my children could end up in public schools, if not likely. And, however unlikely that is, I care about my country anyway.

This is hardly a contentious issue, aside from the devout authoritarians of this forum who haven't seemed to give any thought to the topic (they certainly haven't made serious arguments here). This is the type of garbage America fought off and killed to free itself from in 1776.

Government is never going to raise children to be worldly free-thinkers. It's not in government's interests to do so. And literally every measure shows that most public schools fail miserably at this task as much or more than at their primary task (teaching children the fundamentals of language, science, and mathematics).

Of course bad parents are bad for kids. Of course state-raised children are not the solution.

Anyone who needed that to be stated directly for them to understand it, please don't have children.

Good parents and active members of local school boards make for good public schools. Needless to say, most of them are mindless sheeple such as those blindly advocating indoctrination and conditioning of children by authoritarians here. For this reason, public schools are a much larger systematic threat to children than bad parents. For this reason, there's absolutely no justification to infringe upon parents' rights to raise their children as they see fit.

Bad parents are a cultural problem which can't be fixed by government raising children. In fact, government raising children is a far, far more momentous problem to a free society.