Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

now that you have made your point as to why you have placed this in uni news

" Universal News
News from the galaxies, written by the players.

While technically a question, the content within is about recent universal news, Milky Way in particular.  If it makes you feel better I can retitle the topic as "Milky Way is the new Pinwheel" as a statement and change the poll to "Do you agree?".

Anyway, yes it does matter.  Looking at the major problems within the game community as at the heart of this topic, which is why it was created.  Just look at the poll results: players clearly feel that the game isn't want it used to be as shown by events within this round.  We need to get that understanding of player feedback before we can figure out the proper solutions.

What is the point of questioning the usefulness of a topic that is clearly soliciting valuable feedback from the players it concerns?  If anything is pointless, that is."


usefulness of feed back   ok

lets discuss farming

I asked a question in uni news about the rules on farming last round,  lets see i got 1 reply on the topic
not even by a mod, or you, or any other dev, and then was told by an mod that my topic was in the wrong froum and was told to put it in the proper forum, or it will be closed  He didnt even have the balls to answer the question first. I deleted the post, whats the point if your not going to take the serious questions asked by member of the gaming comunity seriously

and as for " Satanic Spawn's comment " 
@Cjay92 - it should be in Uni news. because it is something that pertains heavily to everyone currently playing.
does not farming not pertain heavily to everyone playing the game, and yet no one wants to discuss this at all

And yet a topic about hints gets a Sht load of you dev/mods all over it. Are the hints so important to the game, that the rate that much attention, when farming is what ?

The question that should be being asked is
Why are we not getting, and keeping new players in the game.

Now me I'm going to have a few drinks, and mabey write a post on why we don't have new ppl staying or even playing the game.  Yea i'll probly have a bunch of you writting stupid comments to my post. ( whats new )but you know what  i'll just delete them, or start the same post up again, with those posting by ppl that do care about the game

yeah, yeah, yeah, your the best in the game!
But have you played against " Chuck Norris ! "

Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

well when you put it that way i wanna put "stupid" comments up too. you cant tempt a cat with yarn and not expect it to swat at it.

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Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

@pie

me calling something "not smart" is criticizing? or is it me pointing out my opinion?

but i dont get where you say i am being hypocritical. i said your fam should just pay because they should have. i say 78 should have just paid because they should have.

i would have preferred them to fight...but that is just for my own fun not what i actually think should be done.

there is nothing hypocritical about what ive said

Solis - #7872

Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

First of all, this is getting off the topic which is interesting given your points.  We do have a feedback forum for this kind of thing though, which granted is relatively new.  However, this kind of discussion belongs there so I will be moving these posts into a new thread eventually.

Anyway, to your points:


Cjay92 wrote:

lets discuss farming

I asked a question in uni news about the rules on farming last round,  lets see i got 1 reply on the topic
not even by a mod, or you, or any other dev, and then was told by an mod that my topic was in the wrong froum and was told to put it in the proper forum, or it will be closed  He didnt even have the balls to answer the question first. I deleted the post, whats the point if your not going to take the serious questions asked by member of the gaming comunity seriously

The questions forum exists for everybody to help eachother out.  This is the devs, mods, fmods, players, and even Stefan if he cares to join.  That said, we are in no way obligated to make any specific question a priority.  Unfortunately there is already too much work for the current staff to do so if a mod is informing you that your topic was in the wrong forum, they are doing so because it is part of their job to keep things organized.  They are not required to answer your question at this point, or even at all.

However, this was indeed handled incorrectly.  Not because of what they said but because a forum feature exists that allows us to move threads and leave a "ghost" topic.  Why that wasn't done, I'm not sure.


Cjay92 wrote:

and as for " Satanic Spawn's comment " 
@Cjay92 - it should be in Uni news. because it is something that pertains heavily to everyone currently playing.
does not farming not pertain heavily to everyone playing the game, and yet no one wants to discuss this at all

The point is context.  This "MW = new PW" thread is the result of and regarding events that are specific to the round.  That's why this forum exists, for events that happen within these galaxies.

Farming is a serious problem indeed, but its discussion doesn't belong here.  It belongs in feedback, ideas, or questions, depending on the content of the thread's original post.


Cjay92 wrote:

And yet a topic about hints gets a Sht load of you dev/mods all over it. Are the hints so important to the game, that the rate that much attention, when farming is what ?

We all work as volunteers.  If we want to engage in conversation about a more simple part of the game/community, there's no reason why we shouldn't.  This is the same reason that sometimes I'll work on smaller "pointless" additions to the game even though there are so much larger things to be done.  We don't always have to be working on such serious issues.  We need to stay interested and motivated if we are meant to enjoy the work that we do for free on our own time.  Participating in conversations about less serious things helps.

If anybody has a right to an opinion on where the staff spends their time, it's the staff.  We are the ones doing the work and not getting paid for it.  We get to prioritize amongst ourselves, because we are the ones who are giving up our free time for the benefit of the game/players/community.


Cjay92 wrote:

The question that should be being asked is
Why are we not getting, and keeping new players in the game.

That's a great question.  I recommend you ask that in the questions forum.  If you have ideas to improve it, I recommend you post them in the ideas forum.  If you have feedback regarding your perception of this problem, I recommend you post it in the feedback forum.  That is why these forums exist.  In any case, that topic is not relevant to any specific ingame events, therefore it does not belong in uni news.


Cjay92 wrote:

Now me I'm going to have a few drinks, and mabey write a post on why we don't have new ppl staying or even playing the game.  Yea i'll probly have a bunch of you writting stupid comments to my post. ( whats new )but you know what  i'll just delete them, or start the same post up again, with those posting by ppl that do care about the game

You're welcome to do so, just make sure you do it in the right place.  If you can't figure out where that is, feel free to ask in the questions forum. =P

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Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

Satanic Spawn wrote:

@pie

me calling something "not smart" is criticizing? or is it me pointing out my opinion?

but i dont get where you say i am being hypocritical. i said your fam should just pay because they should have. i say 78 should have just paid because they should have.

i would have preferred them to fight...but that is just for my own fun not what i actually think should be done.

there is nothing hypocritical about what ive said

This isn't about 78's perspective, it's about yours.  You would have preferred to fight 78 even though they were willing to pay.  This is not smart by your own definition because there is a higher cost for you guys as well compared to not doing so.  Fighting 78 would be the less smart decision for your family to make, yet you still would have preferred to do so.

Yet that's exactly the same thing my family and ally's did.  You're criticizing us for holding the same view that you do.  That is, by definition, hypocritical.

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Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

I wanna galaxy where all galaxy can gang up on 1 fam ( that somehow deserves it too)

And beat the bullies
No pmodes
No newtworth limits
Even pnaps can be voided for the lolz of it


That would be different from pw and mw altogether

Rchie

Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

i see what you are saying pie, but it actually is not the same thing. your fam/ally wanted to fight because you wanted to "prove a point" and make your fam harder to target.

my fighting 78 would have purely been for entertainment (and i think we woulda gotten more than we did from the payment)

Solis - #7872

58 (edited by LEGEND 09-Mar-2013 07:21:24)

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I think this all has to do with the smaller player database as well. Back in the days when you had a lot of fams and a lot of players loosing a war wouldnt be considered the end of the round. You could grow back since theres a lot of other targets which you could gain planets from.

Nowadays its you loose a war at start of the round no biggie just cripled a lot. Loosing a war in the middle/towards the end of the round means you're pretty much dead. Most of the fams napped due to having earlier conflicts or the fact you made naps before since you were both "top fams". This will limit your targets for the remaining of the round thus your chances of recovering.

Now you have like what? Maybe 2 fams left to gain planets from? Since you obviously wont cancel a nap with the remaining top fams since you'll most likely loose that war as well getting into further crap. The 2 fams you could gain planets from are most likely also fams destroyed because of battle. Declaring war on those fams will be considered without honor and you get bitched at plus it will turn into a farmfest.

This whole thing also has got to do with the trend nowadays that warring another fam means destorying another fam. Best example is with the last supposed to be war between 81/72 and 78/84. Cancelled upon 78 had no attackers to fight the war so offered a deal to pay planets. They didnt take first offer due to the fact that if they took it there would still be a chance that 78 would win the round so they demanded more planets. So its not about taking an amount of planets but destroying once fams aspirations to get near a top ranking.

True LEGEND

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This shouldn't be a discussion if round prior or or future but how to improve player experience. There are a few points and set aside, indifference when it comes to limitations, & needed improvements when mentioning the game itself.
Simple rounds should cease.

@Dev making MW permanent stay round is genius.

Leaves more room for your team to make custom round and challenge match ups more interesting. More tactically challenging and rounds where good old strategical strengths is the measuring force deciding winning or losing families is cool too!

I despise morale limits and benefit gained from personal relations in "RL" when gamers are hear for the galore of game study. I matched myselves with friends and have lost a few over this game concentrated around wars were suicidal attempts and strategic retiredness wasn't an issue.

More or less. I hope we lose morale limits and switch capa roles to bringing back the ranks instead of capitilizing off of vets entire round after round. If a banker bases entire self strategies on buying the units then attacker should build! Making the game more mundane is better for self providence. Makes it easier for Noobs to learn and wars to become learning instances in either end.

I've lost entire percentages of networth before over personal grudges and have gained collective multiples with my head wrapped tight. Doesn't matter which side is winning if were all having fun. Who decides which family lost if the top dogs are all familiar with their seats at the top for too long? It makes it less of a learning experience when old and new players lose there motivation to be replaced with disgust!

One life to live in is all that a person needs. When traveling down a road looking for the ascension to greater things, all that really matters is the way you got to the end, when you reach your final destination did you help or hurt more?

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Hydro, it wasn't just to "prove a point".  That's only the surface level.  Really it's about playing the game on our terms.  Just how you have your idea of what is fun, so do I.  If I gave your fam or allies any planets I wouldn't be having fun anymore.

It is more the same than you realize.  I'm playing the game how I want to, just like you are.  It's no more smart or dumb than you preferring to war 78 for entertainment's sake even if it means more cost to get the same planets.  That's what I mean when I say it's hypocritical to criticize another person or team for playing how they want to, and then go and do the same that is by your own acknowledgement not the "smartest" thing to do.

@LEGEND: Those are good points.  I think we're in an unfortunate place with such a small amount of players now.  I think though, that we can and should be able to adjust the game to work with any amount of players.  If we do things like (for example) minimize role specialization and change what type of activity is required to be successful, we can make the game balanced no matter how many people play it.

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who deleted my posts in the other thread?

talk about lack of free speech

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I like pie wrote:

Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

Yep, in terms of skill! And Pinwheel is the new Virgo.

Skill overall has declined drastically.

Also, you're poll answers are very loaded tongue

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Torqez wrote:
I like pie wrote:

Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

Yep, in terms of skill! And Pinwheel is the new Virgo.

Skill overall has declined drastically.

Also, you're poll answers are very loaded tongue


^^^ This. The overall skill of MW is horrible.

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Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

Oh calm down Lee.  I had to move them out because we were cluttering up the war thread.  Your posts and my responses are below:
http://imperialconflict.com/forum/viewt … ?id=182565

@Torq: loaded?  nonsense =P  i gave the option of top fams being good at attacking, do you know how generous that is? =P

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You do realise those few top fams ur talking of, keep this game alive?

if it wasnt for such families then this game would be empty really.

Iam calm, please show me where iam not?

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@nolio
^^^ This. The overall skill of MW is horrible.


^^^^^ because you have not retired yet, if you retire the skill level would go up about 50% over all

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Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

"who deleted my posts in the other thread?
talk about lack of free speech"

^ Over-reaction.  Your posts are still there, nobody deleted them.

And yes I realize that the top fams are full of active players who are keeping the game alive.  That doesn't mean they also aren't turning away new players.  The game is tailored to the currently active player base who have figured out the formula.  Many of them will dislike some of the proposed changes that will level the playing field, because it means their ability to win will be turned on its head.

Does that mean we should aim to keep them happy?  Not necessarily.  Old and loyal players are important, but so are new potential ones.  Right now we are too weighted to the former and not considering the latter as much as we should be.  You can bet that there will be old vet players who cry foul at coming changes and threaten to leave the game as a result.  Some may actually do so.  So be it.  You can't please everybody, and if we only keep our old players in mind at the expense of new ones, then the game will continue to shrink.

"if it wasnt for such families then this game would be empty really."

This may be true, but that doesn't mean that their play style is good for the game.  In the end though, their play style is influenced by the game itself, which is what we are trying to fix.

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all he said was "talk about lack of free speech" i wouldn't call that an "over-reaction", in fact that was probably the most diplomatic way he could address what he thought (with good reason) that his posts were deleted.

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I think since Pie doesnt love us old vets that it is time for us to leave and make way for the new.

This way IC can have nothing but new n00bs that dont know how to play and thus you have what the NFL ended up having after they changed rules to equal the playing field which is plain old mediocre teams instead of the great dynasty days of old.

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Yea my post got deleted in here aswell ... I guess only certain people can post

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Re: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

gotta remember Pie is an old vet. Why are old vets so afraid of shaking things up a little? Is adjusting your gameplay based on new rules for the reason of adding new players so hard to do? Are the old vets unable to adapt?

fourdb

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unable is way different than wanting to.

I am able to ride a crotch rocket motorcycle but I am old school and like my Harley.

In my opinion crotch rockets are sissy bikes while a Harley is a mans bike, but the new generation of bike riders like the sissy bikes, does that mean I have to adapt and like them also?   NO!!!

New just to call it NEW doesnt mean BETTER.

The old saying if it aint broker dont fix it is still true. The problem is they tried to fix it about 4 yrs ago and it just messed it up worse.

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Apparantly something is wrong WS since players are leaving and the player database is shrinking. Would this be a flawless game where everybody was happy we would obtain new players.

True LEGEND

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the whats wrong is its text based and slow, I have said for years now make the ticks occur every 15 minutes instead of an hour.

That increases the activity 4 times.

That is just 1 simple way to make the game to where you want to stick around but one hr sucks waiting when you can play games that keep your attention every minute you play

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Tics every 30 minutes, 1 month rounds. shit would be so cash

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