well it was like this

i either pay the planets now or lose them anyway with massive infra losses, as im not around for the 1st 2 days of wartime and i was the only attacker.

tbh its crushed me, i cant even be arsed to play now.

Tbh, I blame it on the set up (not why the set up is in place itself, but the resultant of what happens).

I mean, each fam has what ...2 attackers?  If you find an opportune moment, to cancel a NAP when the other fams' attackers can't be on - then yes, you've won your war, before it's even started.

Yep, mine too.  Best part of IC.

Gone out of style some number of years ago, sadly.

If your the one cancelling, and are confident you have more savings, then why wouldn't you?

You should have fun, and still win?

Well, them just giving planets for a nap isn't very fun

ahh yes, this is right, I forgot they are small fams in MW now lol

I do understand.  And again I'm not saying there is anything *wrong* with what you did.  And yes there is skill involved but it isn't attacking or war planning skill.  That's my point: that you have nothing within this round that shows you as a competent war planner or attacker.  If that's how it is then so be it, and if you want to save your family then that's fine.  However, that is exactly what your doing: saving your family' rank, not showcasing any competency as a wartime strategist.

You can talk all you want about how skillful of an attacker and a warplanner you are.  It doesn't matter.  So far this round all you have are your words.  You will not be remembered this round for leading a family that could hold their own.  You will be remembered this round for leading a family that avoided conflict to secure their top rank.

And it's not just you.  I'm hopeful for this war between 80/70 and 73/82 because so far my experience returning to this game has been a disappointing one.  I don't know if I will play again next round but I will surely remember this one as the round I played where people preferred not to fight.

It's boring.  No wonder people have left.

And what about Torqez?  You say this isn't about ego but then you say your family is nothing without you?  Is it any surprise that you lose players under that kind of leadership?  And what about your allies?  You have them after all, they could have stepped up for the war and even if it was a losing effort at least they could have tried.  But nothing like that happened.

Instead, it's the "Lee Show" whereas if you can't make the starting hours of the war then the war doesn't happen.  How is that not about ego?  Why not let your family try?  Better yet, why not *encourage* them to try?  Is your fam's rank so precious that you'll deprive them of experience?  Losing a war badly can be a good thing.  I've said it many times and I'll say it again that that is how you find gems.  That is where true skill shines.  Most importantly that's how players learn to fight back.

Believe it or not, there is fun to be had during a losing war.  You are betting me "100%" on your players leaving if the war went on, but you can't possibly know that for certain.  Imo you're not saving your family, you're denying them an opportunity to actually play the game.  If that's their idea of "having fun doing what they wanna do" then I guess that further proves my point about the state of this game.  People would rather plan econ than fight?  Surely you've heard people joke about "Imperial Infra".  Do you think that's a good thing?

This attitude is unfortunate.  You are saying that your own family members don't have any part of that?  You are making your family sound helpless without you.  If that really is the case then the war would be a perfect opportunity for them to learn how to fight, and an opportunity for you teach them.

What's more important, "saving" your family or letting them get some experience?

Yes I do remember.  I remembered explaining that you misinterpreted my comment and I didn't mean to offend you.  I remember that you never replied to my apology to acknowledge it, yet you came to me for help with you DPA problem.

I also remember you telling me that I need to work on my interpersonal skills.  I ask that you consider this yourself because what you're saying here is that your family is #1 because of you alone and they are all helpless without you.

I disagree.  MW has always had its share of war dodging and farming yes, but it has also had its share of interesting wars.  This no longer seems to be the case.

To say it another way Lee, you really had 3 choices:

1) call in sick on first day (bad choice)
2) pay planets for your fam's "benefit" (rank-preserving choice)
3) accept that the odds are against your fam's favor and strategize around this challenge (imo the "old-school" choice)

Unfortunately #3 is now widely seen as a stupid choice, whereas in earlier days #2 would be seen as a shameful choice.  To me that says something about the attitude of people who currently play this game.  Things have clearly changed to value "top spot" more than fighting a worthwhile battle.

For a game that is supposedly about war, that is quite sad.  And no, none of you "gods of attacking" are actually as skilled at attacking as you think you are because like I said, this style of play discourages actual fighting.  Again this is clearly evident by the MW events this round.

This what I mean about egos.  What exactly are you basing this off of?  My family's current round?  The prior round where I came in towards the end to a family that had most of its players blocked/deleted or inactive?

All you have is your ego and your words.  You aren't basing a statement like that on any meaningful evaluation of my skills as an attacker, you're basing it on your own idea of what attacking skills you yourself have.  Like I said, your family's current MW round is meaningless to that point.

Yes you may in fact be a better attacker than me, but you also may not be.  This is the difference between players with inflated egos and those without.  You claim to be able to kill my fleet within a few hours.  I wouldn't make such claims because they are pointless.  I'd rather attack to showcase my ability.

In the end though, you yourself only have words to rely on.  Your family gave away planets to avoid a war that was against their favor.  You lost more than planets by doing so: you lost your opportunity to showcase your skill as a leader and your skill as a strategist.  You could have taken this as a challenge and an opportunity to flex your strategic muscles, to coordinate with your family beforehand on a defensive strategy to hold you guys over until you come back to clean things up and even perhaps turn the war around.

Instead, you paid to avoid having to do so.  This is why I'm not surprised when you make claims like "i bet you i kill ur fleet within a few hours".  These words are all you have, because you and other players like you actively give away your chance to showcase any skill in order to preserve rank.

you dont understand do you, its nothing about EGO. infact it doesnt even come into it. im just telling you theres more skill to a cancel war then ur making out.

My family is 2 new players bankers, 1 old player playing pax and another rev.

how exactly can u counter a war with those races? u cannot its impossible against 4 attackers from another strong alliance.

So u can say what you want, in the end it was the best decision for the family.

making out like i pussied out from a fight, its anything but. i could not be here for 2 days to defend my family, plan anything, co-ordinate anything and there pretty useless unless i give them specific instructions daily. iam mainly teaching half the fam........paying to renap was the best option, rather then lose the same amount of planets and all my infra i retained our rank and we live to fight another day, preferably next time on my terms!