All you've got is responses to straw man positions nobody has stated.

"Self defense creates the moral authority."

This literally doesn't make any sense.

You might as well say "I know nothing about the topic, and I don't care. But I feel that I'm right, and I'm going to tell you about my plan for genocide. It would make me feel good. Screw responding to anything that's been said, genocide because it'll make me feel good is a good plan of action, which I am advocating here. I make no argument that it will effectively combat the threat I perceive. I offer no evidence that the threat I perceive is real at all, let alone so monumental as to warrant (morally or economically) genocide. But damnit I want genocide and I wanted to tell you all that I want it."

That's the world according to you, as you've posted here. If you care to actually respond to anything I've posted, it'll be here waiting.

I've questioned the results of "aid dictators then invade them with the US military when they threaten the interests of international bankers" as a policy of national defense.

I've questioned the wisdom of voters voting who literally have no idea what's going on in the region or who the US government is funding and arming, who elect leaders who act at the behest of international bankers without the knowledge of those same idiot voters who elected them.

I've questioned the morality of our support of authoritarians and oppression in general, on both the grounds of moral philosophy and the effects of such oppression and hypocrisy on the world (and the peoples you allege we should wipe from the earth) and the problem you're advocating it to solve. Frankly, I question whether killing millions of people is the best solution when those millions of people are allegedly angry with you for oppressing millions of people. Even if that isn't the real source of their anger, it'll certainly give way to a better alleged reason for the next group who's angry with you.

And I guess you might as well say, or I guess you pretty much implied directly, "I don't care that we oppress millions of people. I approve of the enslavement of others far worse than our country's founders fought and died to escape from. I'm a hypocrite with no regard for justice or a sustainable world in which America doesn't actively create enemies by enslaving people."

You aren't arguing that yes, the American government (as empowered by the American people) is doing wrong, but genocide is necessary regardless of the correction of these wrongs. You're just willfully ignorant of these wrongs and you don't care. You're making no arguments for the effectiveness of your proposed strategy, you're just willfully ignorant of the effectiveness of what you propose and you don't care.

You're completely leaving out the part where you redefine "self defense" to mean something completely unrelated to defending oneself.

A bunch of Saudis got on planes and used box cutters and knowledge they gained in civilian aviation schools in the USA to hijack those planes and crash them. Clearly, invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were necessary to prevent similar attacks in the future.

That rationale makes sense. If you're on acid.

Where's your expanded list of attacks on the US and its allies? I'm certainly in favor of defending the United States of America. Are you going to make any sort of argument whatsoever that there's a real threat deserving of the trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives that have been lost in the name of defending America from it? The threat you fear is so fictional you can't even make any argument whatsoever for its existence, let alone a decent one.

You continue to completely ignore the hypocrisy of your positions, and the complete lack of any success as a result of the invasions and bombings you support.

I suppose, since your argument is that the United States should literally bomb and/or invade literally every nation on earth, you can logically conclude that we can't measure success until this process is completed. Except, of course, that that's ludicrous.

Lots of extremist groups in that part of the world have flags. Tribal societies are societies. Pretending like I'm unaware of the existence of people who hate America is dishonest and pointless.

I've discussed at length our oppression in the region and suggested we stop being tyrants and forcing authoritarians on these people. I've suggested that this might alleviate the problem of hatred toward America to some degree, even if it's not very significant. I claim there's no harm in trying it and we're getting nothing out of doing what we're doing now.

You've have't responded in any way to my suggestion that we stop oppressing people. You haven't responded to the moral atrocity I plainly point out you're guilty of in any way. You haven't responded to the increased violence against America and support for such sentiment this motivates in any way--and I've made no claim that it is justified, as you repeatedly accuse me of while cowering out of responding to my actual point in any way. I certainly haven't claimed that attacking civilian targets is ever justified. You haven't responded to my arguments that invasions and bombings of random nations doesn't combat terrorism which wasn't launched by or committed by members of those nations or people located within their borders.

Similarly, claiming that I mentioned American flight training in order to blame America is again dishonest and stupid. I pointed out where they were trained because it was not in Iraq or Afghanistan--the nations we invaded as if they attacked us and as if we were attacking them out of self defense, as is your claim.

I've responded to your allegations that the Fort Hood shooter was mind controlled by a radical in Yemen via email, and your proposition that invasion of Yemen is the only way to stop these mind-control emails from causing mass shootings in the future. I've responded to your claims that such emails could never be sent from another nation just as easily, if Yemen were invaded and such radicals were forced to relocate. It's you who's failed to respond to everything I have said, except to erroneously state that the topic is irrelevant to me, implying that I hadn't already responded, implying that it wasn't you without the nerve to actually respond to anything I said.

And you go on pretending I've stated anything other than what I have--none of which you've responded to.

Everything I've stated is clear to anyone reading. I've been overly patient in this thread already. If you ever care to read or respond to anything I've said, it'll be here. Thus far you haven't responded to a word of it.

Those damn Iraqi terrorists that killed so many Americans over the years, we got em!

Your faith in the corrupt trash this country elects to dish out death while bankrupting our children's future is beyond my ability to comprehend.

You accept the sacrifice of all hope for a better future for our children in the name of bombing people who aren't a threat to us. Globalist authoritarians have you scared, and for their protection and enslavement you're so frightened you'll pay literally any price.

I love your "we're keeping them busy" logic.

You give absolutely no consideration to the fact that our support of dictators and oppression makes people angry. None. You have absolutely no awareness whatsoever that this happens, or that we're wrong to oppress people. Or that sometimes those people act out against us. I make no claim that all enemies of the United States act with this motivation or that stopping our atrocities would stop attacks against us. But I argue that it's the right thing to do, it couldn't hurt, and it might even help.

You have no response. You refuse to even acknowledge a word I'm saying. You aren't told about the facts I bring up because they're inconvenient for the people responsible for all of your talking points. So you choose to remain ignorant. Yet you respond anyway. You're doing it wrong. You can't have a discussion while choosing not to. So long as you choose to remain ignorant of everything I'm talking about and don't respond to anything I've said, your responses are incoherent and meaningless.

The point that motivated people could do a ton of harm to America for low costs and relatively low risk to themselves only backs up my points 100%. Because they're not making use of these opportunities. They're not attempting to make any use of these opportunities. They never have.

You give absolutely no consideration that maybe those people who want to harm us aren't as simple minded as you, and they're not somehow incapable of travelling here to harm us as you point out is easily possible all over the country in often cheap and relatively safe ways ("safe" meaning to achieve damage and likely even escape capture).

You think trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives "keeps them busy." You think it's worth this massive price and contribution to the collapse of the United States economy and our standard of living to "keep them busy," because you presume they're SO simple minded that they can't send a few people to cause us harm because they need every last man to plant IEDs across the planet. And you're too simple minded to understand that our bankruptcy will result in certain financial ruin for us and our children, so you just don't care.

I couldn't make this point more simply or briefly than in my post immediately preceding yours. Yet you made absolutely no attempt to justify the costs of this "keep them busy over there" strategy you support. You're not even aware that it's an assessment that should and needs to be made to possibly justify such costs.

Thanks for your input, but I think we can do better than your unbelievably simplistic and ridiculously ignorant rationale.

It's not that I disagree with the arguments you make against my points. I could respectfully disagree with such logic. It's that you literally haven't made any attempt to argue against almost anything I've said.

Your personal insults and whining don't distract anyone from the fact that you refuse to respond to anything I've actually said.

Additionally, your hollow and ridiculous boasting is just embarrassing yourself. Silly lies do not warrant response.