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For those who haven't heard yet, there's a former cop on a rampage in Southern California.  He is apparently highly skilled and very motivated.  The root of everything appears to be his dismissal from the force; he claims he was wrongfully terminated in retaliation to his reporting of police brutality, thus "crossing the blue line".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Southern_California_shootings

He's also written a manifesto regarding the reasons for his actions.  There are 2 versions of this floating around:

A) "Original" http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/616/02/616_1360213161.pdf

This is a very long read, but very interesting.  He appears to be quite intelligent and articulate, and downright scary.

B) "Extended" http://boywithgrenade.org/2013/02/07/christopher-dorners-manifesto/

Some are claiming this second one contains fabrications after the point where the original ends.


A few things make this situation particularly interesting, the big one being the large amount of support and even praise he apparently is receiving.  The LAPD has worsened the situation by shooting (with intent to kill, obviously) and injuring innocent drivers of similarly looking suspect vehicles on 2 separate occasions.

What a mess.

I don't believe that he should be killing anybody, but I can't help but consider the fact that although he is a killer he may also be honest.  Police corruption isn't exactly a new thing, and his account of the events around his dismissal raise some serious questions.  His other detailed accounts of what goes on within the LAPD are also downright disgusting.

Of course, that doesn't justify anything that he's done so far.

What are your guys' takes on this?

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He should starring as "Roadblock " in the next G.I Joe movie.

The inmates are running the asylum

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well if he is going on a rampage against cops then apparently his dismissal was well founded.
Some people can't handle the stress of being law enforcement and putting his/her life on the line every day.

He seems to have cracked and need a psyc ward.

Valour-the courage to do what scares you to death

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not really so valcona.
he was dismissed and he feels he wasnt represented right he claims that racism had to do with his dismissal too. its not about putting your life on the line seeing as how this guy was in the navy. he was an expert marksman and top of his class. yes he may have cracked but if you take away someones job unjustly and pretty much make it hard for them to live then bad things will happen. he is just taking it to another level.

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He apparently accused a partner of kicking a suspect after the suspect was down, and the LAPD investigated, and 3 other witnesses say it never happened, so the LAPD went after him to throw him out.

So far, he shot and killed the daughter of the cop who defended him in that process, and her fiance
then he shot at cops in Corona
and he shot two cops in Riverside, from behind, while they were stopped at a red light, and one of them died.

He hasn't shot at any LAPD cops and he only killed their family.  So he's a kook.

LAPD is a bunch of dumbasses though.  They had a number of "defensive patrols" set up to protect named targets of this guy, only, instead of sealing off the block they let people roll through and kept their checkpoint a secret, and ended up shooting 2 defenseless innocent people who were delivering newspapers.  They were looking for a 6 foot black dude in a purple truck and they shot up 2 asian women in a light blue truck.

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Sounds like a movie

True LEGEND

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I was also impressed to hear cops say all Friday that weather would only slow them down, not stop them from searching, and then declare Friday night that they were suspending the search

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Yeah it's not looking good.

Regarding his dismissal, there are also claims from others that back up what he reported.  What's also interesting is what he writes about the conflict of interest on the review board:

"The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect. I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for  decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video  was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked  by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher  Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had  stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from  custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me. What they didn

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keep up the good work chris! we are all rooting for ya!!

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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440,000 celticsuckers out of power and you had to keep your internet

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DHS keeps putting out memos about the dangers of freedom-loving right-wing nutcases... while communist nutcases keep opening fire on crowds of people.

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apparently he never left the mountain
took two people hostage in their house and stole their truck
killed another cop

"One of the deputies involved in a gun battle Tuesday afternoon with fugitive former police officer Christopher Dorner has died of his wounds, law enforcement sources told The Times.

The San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy was airlifted to Loma Linda University Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead, according to the sources.

Another deputy was also wounded in the shootout near a cabin where Dorner was believed to be holed up in the snow-covered mountains near Big Bear. His condition was not immediately known.

PHOTOS: Manhunt for ex-LAPD officer

The afternoon gun battle in which hundreds of rounds were exchanged was part of a quickly changing situation that began after Dorner allegedly broke into a home, tied up a couple and held them hostage before fleeing with their white pickup truck, authorities said.

Then Dorner was allegedly spotted by state Fish and Wildlife officers in the pickup truck, sources said. A vehicle-to-vehicle shootout ensued. The officers' vehicle was peppered with multiple rounds, according to authorities.

Dorner crashed his vehicle and took refuge in a nearby cabin, sources said. One deputy was hit as Dorner fired out of the cabin and a second deputy was injured when Dorner exited the back of the cabin, deployed a smoke bomb and opened fire again in an apparent attempt to flee. Dorner was driven back inside the cabin, the sources said.:

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He's an Obama supporter and an anti-gun nut, but he's providing a lot of evidence that one man with an assault rifle can, in fact, fight effectively against authorities.

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He's an Obama supporter?

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Yeah it's in his manifesto. The edited/shortened version leaves out all the political stuff. Purely coincidence, I am sure.

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That's my point, the "shortened" one is apparently the real one according to some people who are analyzing the differences in tone and language between the two versions.

See OP: "Some are claiming this second one contains fabrications after the point where the original ends".  It's been argued that the ranting and nonsense was added to discredit the legitimacy of his earlier claims.  It seems some are also arguing the inverse in that the media is pushing the shortened version to "clean up" his words, as you seem to be implying.

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I wouldn't think the truth of this matter would be difficult to ascertain, given his means of publication, digital record keeping, and private property laws.

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He is using hand guns most of the time?

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Regardless, he makes the point that an armed populace can stand up to a tyrannical government.

He's one man and he's done this much harm and avoided the authorities for a week.

Your anti-gun argument is weak, Einstein.

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I am not anti-gun. I believe in rifles, shotguns, and handguns for the population.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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stallone did a better job at cleaning up corruption in cop land

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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guess who quit smoking today?

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Christopher Dorner!

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LOS ANGELES (AP) -- There was no question. The man standing before Rick Heltebrake on a rural mountain road was Christopher Dorner.

Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large assault-style rifle.

As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer for a week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him out of his TRUCK.

"I don't want to hurt you. START walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.

The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.

A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin where he'd taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck in the San Bernardino Mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles.

A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded. After the firefight ended, a SWAT team using an armored vehicle broke out the cabin's WINDOWS and began knocking down walls. A fire started, and later, charred remains believed to be Dorner's were found.

San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday the fire was not set on purpose.

"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," he said.

His deputies lobbed pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, and it erupted in flames, he said. McMahon did not say directly that the tear gas started the blaze, and the cause of the fire was under investigation.

The sheriff said authorities have not positively identified the remains. However, all evidence points to it being Dorner, he said, and the manhunt is considered over.

A wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner were found in the cabin debris, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.

The tourist community of Big Bear Lake that was the focus of the intensive manhunt was returning to normalcy Wednesday, and residents were sharing stories of the last weeks' events. None was more dramatic than Heltebrake's.

He said he wasn't panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn't feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. "He wasn't wild-eyed, just almost professional," he said. "He was on a mission."

"It was clear I wasn't part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda," he said.

Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he carried out a revenge campaign against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.

The end came in the same mountain range where Dorner's trail went cold six days earlier, after his PICKUP TRUCK - with guns and camping gear inside - was found abandoned and on fire near Big Bear Lake.

His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.

Deputies searched hundreds of cabins in the area and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow widened their search.

Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn't enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.

One of the major remaining questions is how Dorner eluded such an intensive search. Remarkably, the cabin where he hid out at least part of the time was a stone's throw from the searchers' command post.

San Bernardino County Deputy Chief Steve Kovensky said Wednesday that searchers did not see any forced entry to the cabin when it was checked. But he could not provide details about exactly when the check was made, and did not say whether it ever was re-checked.

Dorner's cover was blown Tuesday when two women arrived to clean the cabin, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state Fish and Wildlife Department.

With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn't shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and stole their purple Nissan. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.

One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.

About 20 miles away, two game wardens spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake behind two school buses, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle's tires, authorities said.

Dorner seemed to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned - even boasted - in the rant that he knew police tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.

The purple Nissan then disappeared.

Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner.

Meantime, officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.

Then game wardens saw Heltebrake's truck making erratic moves and saw a man fitting Dorner's description behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.

Dorner fired at wardens as he drove. A warden then stopped his vehicle and fired multiple rounds at the truck from his high-powered, semi-automatic rifle. He apparently missed.

"If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known," Foy said.

Out of options after crashing the pickup, Dorner made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.

With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.

San Bernardino Sheriff's Deputy Jeremiah MacKay was killed, and another deputy, Alexander Collins, was wounded at the cabin. MacKay, a detective who had been with the department 15 years, had a wife, a 7-year-old daughter and a 4-month-old son, sheriff's officials said.

Police said Dorner began his run Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former Los Angeles police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.

Dorner blamed former Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct within the department.

House after police named Dorner as a suspect in the double murder, he shot at two LAPD officers, grazing one in the head, and then ambushed two Riverside officers, killing Officer Michael Crain. His funeral was Wednesday.

LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed Dorner's allegations, has said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.

A $1 million reward had been offered for Dorner's capture and conviction. LAPD Officer Alex Martinez said the mayor's office will determine if the money is paid out.

"I don't think there's going to be a reward," he said. "Remember, it's capture and conviction. There was no capture and no conviction. It's kind of a no-brainer."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LAPD_REVENGE_KILLINGS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-13-19-47-09

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I love how they're claiming they didn't mean to burn the place down... when we've heard the police radio calls to burn the place down.

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