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Re: Orion Nebula SS Knockout PvC

Droids 6/7
Soldiers 5/6


Soldiers fine with attack bonus plus att/def research.

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> Arbolio3 wrote:

> Droids 6/7
Soldiers 5/6


Soldiers fine with attack bonus plus att/def research.


What the hell, can someone please update the damn guide. All that info is so out of date X(

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We are working on a guide and FAQ update.

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Arby not doing his Job!!!!! WTF let get some Rost Beef Going!!!!

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230 Reply by Altruist (edited by Altruist 29-Jan-2013 14:43:45)

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> Arbolio3 wrote:
> Droids 6/7
> Soldiers 5/6
> Soldiers fine with attack bonus plus att/def research.

Well, you need a 20% att bonus for soldiers to get even with droids. That costs 20pts.
For the same 20pts you get droids plus the better def of droids for free.

So att bonus shouldn't be the reason why not having taken droids (and if it was... ahem, the thinking behind was flawed, I think).

About research:
As usual I have my doubts about how useful research is in a game which is
* short (as it looks max 36 days)
* without a market and thus with no specialization
* much space (I guess overbuilding isn't beyond 100%? and if then only on selected big planets with portals? and those players with higher OB will be soon food for the daily automatic delete?)
* and victory conditions based on size
Common strat sense tells me that the value of research can be only much lower than in other games. So low that I was playing around with the idea of not using research at all in Orion (yes, I was tempted and had already designed a race for Orion before I found the strength to resist *grin).

But there are so many variables that I find it very difficult to not only make an educated strat guess but to find actual proof in form of a calculation.

Easier it would be to have some empirical data from the present game where one could see how much investment a player, let's say a quantam, needed to gain what research values and what advantages this gives and to compare it with what could had been directly built with the investment: mines, CFs, units etc.

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231 Reply by Zidi (edited by Zidi 29-Jan-2013 02:22:42)

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Research can give you an infra advantage. The earlier you get it, the more it can compound into the late game. 10% more income and 10% more con bonus then an opponent will compound quickly.

For the quantamns, to make use of the 70% science they pretty much have to invest heavily in research planets and rc's early, to get that income/con up as quickly as possible to help them compete with those of us running 50% income.

OB is much higher then 100% as well.

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as a quantum. i took someone out early and was top for a short while. even with 30% income. in that respect i got lucky, but inevitably because i didnt invest in research quick enough i was eclipsed and playing catch up pretty fast. then i got in a fight with someone with 100% speed and no droids, i was screwed to put it nicely and i've been playing catch up with high research since. but if i had speed (more that 20%) i'd have held my own and could have easily been near the top, now im barely getting over half the nw of the big guys. speed is more key than you think, ESPECIALLY before portals come in, being able to raid someone hard and fast is such an attribute to have. i'd also take 40% or 50% income as its awesome in early stages.

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I'd probably swap my 50% science for 100% speed when they do this again. Or possibly droids and 60% speed, depending on what was happening.

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yeah i took quantum because i predicted what usually happens to me, i get boxed in and need to opp to survive. but this time i had some easy prey, if i had 50% income and decent speed i'd have been right up there

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Re: Orion Nebula SS Knockout PvC

> Zidi wrote:
> I'd probably swap my 50% science for 100% speed when they do this again. Or possibly droids and 60% speed, depending on what was happening.

Interesting idea... not only to think about investments during the game when using research but also about the costs of research in race pts.

Let's think about race point allocation and research in a custom race design. The extreme would be
* +50% research
* -30% research
The total difference are rocking 80 race pts.

For those 80pts you could alternatively get for example one of the following race design boosts:
a) +40% income
b) +100% speed + droids + Planetary Infrastructure + Space Amazement

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I am running both 50% income and 50% science. I wouldn't go down to -30% science, realistically 0 is probably doable, because science goes with an exponential, your 50% science bonus comes out to be a lot less practically. One should never sacrifice income for science.

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1     Me, Myself and Iluvatar (7720) [27,6]     237     1785822     12865
2     (7732) [32,11]     305     1662874     14475
3     I dont give a flying frak (7675) [52,33]     151     1421271     9829
4     OMGOSH! (7714) [41,4]     239     1343983     10519
5     Devilz vs Pax and Colorado (7709) [14,32]     187     1284101     11097
6     Fife Fancy (7733) [57,22]     176     1243594     9023
7     (7692) [47,54]     297     1225429     12969
8     Lauren (7686) [16,20]     239     1156620     11767
9     test family please ignore (7710) [18,12]     223     1087290     9686
10     Teh Uno & Only (7726) [11,38]     213     970774     11333
11     Cute but not Cudly (7749) [28,50]     154     914598     7923
12     ~If you can't beat it, eat it! (7731) [55,4]     59     735149     8312
13     (7680) [37,34]     76     598262     7139
14     EEK (7742) [6,7]     21     126100     5297
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Are you seriously going to let this go on for another 2 weeks?  People are waiting for the next gal to open!

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i think its a good amount left, 15 players left, we started with like 85?

70 angry people waiting smile

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Re: Orion Nebula SS Knockout PvC

I'm gonna keep mass jumping my soldiers and eco whore!

Lets not just go for planets but best eco tongue

Think mr T will like that big_smile

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Re: Orion Nebula SS Knockout PvC

http://i.imgur.com/Ri6gHNq.jpg?1

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Re: Orion Nebula SS Knockout PvC

Lol

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i think this would be fine obiously small changes could be made, but this being my first HC round(that i lasted 1st day) some things i would do different


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Population growth: -30%
Income: 40%
Research: -30%
Attack: 20%
Magic: -20%
Speed: 80%
   
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Space Amazement
Operations
Infiltrate
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Planetary Infrastructure
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Re: Orion Nebula SS Knockout PvC

hehe so who finally killed me big_smile

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245 Reply by Devilz (edited by Devilz 31-Jan-2013 10:42:05)

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i think it was a joint effort, 92 and 14...

Rank by Planets,

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2    Lohan (7732) [32,11]    364   
3    Airwing (7686) [16,20]    280   
4    Zidi (7720) [27,6] 241   
5    Mizzle (7714) [41,4]    238
6    Devilz (7709) [14,32]    232   
7    Chomp On This (7710) [18,12]    223   
8    Flashy (7726) [11,38]    213   
9    Colorado (7733) [57,22]    210   
10    Snpl (7675) [52,33]    171   
11    Schnapp (7749) [28,50]    120
12    ???? (7680) [37,34]    76   
13    ???? (7742) [6,7]    21   


are those right?

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X( you should have told me who flashy was earlier and I could have opped him big_smile

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lies, i have agents big_smile a whole 10 of them

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Me, Myself and Iluvatar (7720) has DECLARED WAR on us.

yikes

Stay out of this one ppl! me and zidi gone have some fun sad

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Owwww interesting big_smile

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Me, Myself and Iluvatar (7720) has DECLARED WAR on us.

Sorry not gonna be able to stay out it seems :X

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