Re: Let us talk about Libertarians

Oh... the liar changes standards.



People of IC I rest my case.



Not only does he fail to differentiate Conservatives from others, he, like all Libertarians, will attempt to change the subject, lie, fabricate, change the rules to suit him and never conede the truth.

This is why I think the world would be saved if all hardcore Libertarians would die tonight. This is why I call them worse than a liberal. A liberal can be taught the errors of their wy, a Libertarian is a liar for life!

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note the date that Einstein finally called for a final solution

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*writes it in the diary under his pillow*

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"Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - Martin Luther King Jr.

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I don't get what TheYell just said, but w/e, it's from MLK... *shrugs*

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Einstein,

You're just angry that everything I said is true. And it's not my problem, nor is it my failing.

Is it not true that Republicans have had the capacity (votes) to audit the Fed's policies repeatedly in the past, but consistently passed up every opportunity? Yes, that's a fact. You're changing the subject, not me.

All you're doing is bloviating about me. You're not providing any evidence that Republicans actually disagree with Democrats at all on this topic. You're not providing any such argument at all, just complaining that you don't like the facts I bring up.

It angers you that Republicans and Democrats agree on this subject, so you call me a liar and rant about Libertarians all being liars? Flawless logic! I didn't say anything about "Conservatives." First, they don't have a lot of representation in our legislature, or, if they do, they tend to vote with Republicans anyway. Second, your view of "Conservatives" is a big government one including an individual healthcare mandate and methods of people-control like smoking bans. I don't think most "Conservatives" share your big-government, anti-freedom view of "Conservative" principles. Most Conservatives would reject your views, so why would I talk about them here?

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Notice he is trying to turn this from Libertarianism, which he cannot articulate nor can he defend, to an attack?


Cause Libertarianism is fail

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...What is wrong with you?

You're refusing to discuss the topic and, at the same time, accusing me of changing the subject?

You never attacked Libertarianism. All you did was make up fictional positions and values which have nothing to do with Libertarians and attacked them. I pointed this out and you never responded further--which makes sense, because all of the crap you made up was really bizarre.

This is inane. You're just making up random crap with every post and never responding to anything. You first post was all fictitious garbage. You abandoned all of it. Then you tried to claim Republicans have any objections to the Fed's robbery of the American people. You've now abandoned that ridiculous position as well. Now you're rambling vaguely about Libertarianism again, having not responded to anything I've said thus far.

Do you have ANYthing to say, or is this crying all you're going to do? You haven't defended a single thing in your initial post which I disputed, which was so ridiculous and baseless I couldn't read all of it. You might as well have rambled about Libertarian views of M-theory, for all the sense you made making up random Libertarian views and rambling about what you made up.

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spock that's the second time you've denounced everything he said were libertarian values without clearly stating what libertarian values ARE

you have to be better than Joe Biden

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60 (edited by V. Kemp 25-Jan-2013 23:31:38)

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If I have to explain that Libertarian values are liberty and limited (lawful) government to anyone, they shouldn't be talking about Libertarian values; they should be looking up the Libertarian platform.

I'm not here to give anyone Wikipedia summarizations on a 6th grade reading level.

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I think i will accuse people of being fomufu, without defining it, and taunt them for not looking it up

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I think Spock is conceding

Ofc he won't wiki Conservatism or look up the true values of the TEA Party so his little fit is laughable.



And to think this all came about because he decides to lump all Republicans together with all Socialists. This smackdown on Libertarianism (I seriously laugh cause anyone reading this can see how Kemp is and are now pushed away from it) is because his attitude.


When asked to define and defend his principles he says "wiki it". What a joke.

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63 (edited by V. Kemp 26-Jan-2013 02:03:32)

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I said that Republicans agree with the rest of Globalists regarding Federal Reserve monetary policy, ie banks running the world and stealing from the working. You haven't disputed a word of this. Not only do Republicans not talk about it, ever. Not only have Republicans never tried to do anything about it. But when it was debated, they supported something even worse than what we have now with even _less_ government oversight.

Why would I "wiki Conservatism"? What does it have to do with this "discussion"? Can you succinctly tell me what Conservatism has to do with anything coherent anyone has said here? Furthermore, I pointed out that many conservatives do not share your big-government, anti-freedom views. To pretend you share their views would be silly.

You're literally refusing to respond to anything I said. I pointed out that a meaningless Republican vote on an audit isn't "proof" and asked if you had ANY more evidence in support of your [supposed (you have a hard time articulating it)] argument that Republicans don't fully approve of the Fed, as do Democrats, Socialists, and all Globalists. You've failed to respond in any way, or provide any evidence or argument in support of your position.

Rambling about me conceding and me being a liar and me playing tricks is a poor substitute for arguments, evidence, or discourse of any kind.

You never asked me to "defend my principles." You never attacked them. The notion that you attacked Libertarian values, when you made it clear from the OP that you don't know what they are, is laughable. You brought it up. If you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, that's neither my fault nor my problem.

All you've done in this thread is ramble about complete nonsense you made up--Nothing any Libertarian has ever said, nor Libertarian values, nor Libertarian platform--and call me names. You haven't identified, let alone attacked, a single Libertarian idea (alone or how it compares to any other idea). You haven't responded to a single thing I've said, except to cry that you don't like the facts I bring up, even though you don't dispute them.

Libertarian Party Platform:
http://www.lp.org/platform

Oh look, you didn't respond to a single idea in the Libertarian Party platform in your OP. You didn't even come close to commenting on anything in it. You rambled about things like "Libertarians attach great value to the outcome of process" which means absolutely nothing and has no basis in anything beyond your own psychosis.

Instead you're crying that I haven't summarized the LP's platform for you (which you've never asked for--The Yell just suggested I should do it, a notion which I rejected with explanation that you're not a baby and shouldn't start threads on topics which you know literally nothing about and can learn about on your own.)






If you want to be treated like an adult, act like one.

You never said that you wanted to know about Libertarian ideas and values nor asked for good sources of further information (even that'd have been pretty silly, seeing how easy the LP's platform is to find).

You never commented on a single Libertarian value or idea in your OP, just random thoughts you attributed to Libertarians with no basis whatsoever. When challenged, you never provided any basis or explanation for your rambling (or what it supposedly has to do with Libertarian ideas/values) whatsoever.

You never responded to my argument that Republicans and Democrats (and all Globalists) agree on Fed policy, beyond a reference to one vote pressured by Rep. Paul, (someone who doesn't represent the Republican party's values and whom you personally despise) which has absolutely no chance of impacting law in any way whatsoever, ever. And everyone voting on it knew this.

You probably never responded to my argument that Republicans and Democrats agree on foreign aggression for corporate and NWO interests either, though admittedly your post was too pained with completely inane rambling for me to finish reading it. I'm sure you made powerful arguments than we needed to secure the 4% of Libyan oil we imported--what vital interests we have in these third-world nations!--and how nobody could ever get on a plane with a shoe-bomb for another nation if we invaded a few key ones. Either way, Democrat and Republican actions abroad are more alike than different. Both support random invasions and bombing for nonsensical reasons, and both support drone strikes to keep people pissed at us. It'd be a shame if we left people alone and a foreign threat couldn't be used to take more rights away from Americans!

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kill 25% of military age males in a society and it goes blooey.   THAT is why Japan suddenly got nice nice, why Britain lost the Empah and why the Krauts suddenly decided beer and socialism was cooler than bigger tanks.

too bad we have a Pentagon that says we absolutely can't employ our military-industrial edge to slaughter guerrillas faster than they can breed, because, shut up that's why.

going into Libya for the Arab Spring Break is one guy's decision, not a matter of Republican policy.


technically both parties passed the War Powers Act which says the President can wage 90 days war on anybody, the Pope, the Queen of England, go for it, as long as Congress votes OK 90 days later.

The Supreme Court said in 1999 that if the President keeps bombing without Congressional OK, yawn.

Republican policy on the issue is basically, give Obama what he wants because if you deny him he'll proclaim himself King and then what can you do.

I did bring up the Barbary Pirates, which was something done by that radical servant of NWO Thomas Jefferson, because he wanted to serve the new world order of boats of crap for sale going all over without being pirated by nearby pirates.

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Don't forget the Whiskey Rebellion where we put down those pesky freedom to drink types!

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Jefferson was never exactly the type that unabashedly adhered to the Constitution anyway.  Remember, during the Louisiana Purchase, Jefferson initially asked Congress for a Constitutional Amendment to grant the power to buy land (no, there is no power to do that), but when Napolean informed him that the "massive tract of land for pennies on the dollar" deal was a limited time offer, he threw the Constitution out the window and bought the property anyway.  Not saying it was wrong by any means.  But Jefferson, one of our founding fathers, had no problem outright ignoring the Constitution when there was a choice between adherence to the Constitution and getting a strong national benefit.  Translation: If the US always strictly adhered to the US Constitution, The Yell would probably be a Spanish citizen.

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I think more likely Japanese or Russian. Without our West Coast we would not have as large a navy, nor been able to fight so well. Other factors include lost revenue from our lost Gold Rush's, Mexico might have kept Texas (far less oil), and so forth. Tbh I think due to Spains trial of fascism and the amount of power they would have from West America... they to might have been in the Axis so you might be right from there also.

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Nah I'd be a Comanchero.  Running between the lines, selling guns and rifles and liquor and stolen cattle.   Damning both sides. 

damn what am I doing here

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69 (edited by The Yell 26-Jan-2013 23:45:42)

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well the Mexican Republic was a banana republic that ran things about the same way we do now

a "President" who does what he likes, and most people couldn't afford to own land, and even if they DID own land, they had to get official permission to use land, and the authorities didn't give it, because everybody who had big money already figured the best way to keep on top was "land management"

and so these illegal immigrants, who didn't give a damn for the national government, came in and filled the gaps, cause they made ducats doing things Mexicans wouldn't, and their whole point was if you won't hustle get out of the way, and the Mexicans were of two minds, and some Mexicans said "well hell they're helping make us rich" and the others said "damn dude, get your head out, these animals have no respect and they're stealling our country"

and one day the Yankee army followed the laborers and that was the end of Mexican authority around here

but I'm sure it wouldn't happen again, I mean, we have a vote in the Security Council.  or, I mean, Obama does.  o damn.

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I don't think protecting commerce or even a little strong-arm tactics is the same thing as occupying foreign nations where we have no national interests.

The Louisiana Purchase being a little less than legal is no reason to throw out the law. The law should be modified to allow for such extraordinary circumstances to be dealt with legally. Past infractions are not an excuse to become a nation of [corrupt] men, not laws. Being a nation of laws (and those laws protecting the liberty of its people) is what allowed the USA to become the richest nation on earth.

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A little less than legal?  Explain how that's different from "illegal."  Remember, we aren't talking about something where there's a debatable argument about Constitutionality (hell, the Bank of the United States, the institution upon which the constitutional debate over the Federal Reserve is heavily rooted, actually had constitutional arguments defending it, even if rooted in a broad interpretation of the "necessary and proper" clause... the Louisiana Purchase had nothing... Jefferson didn't even try to defend it Constitutionally, but instead said "screw it."  One had doubts as to the constitutionality of their actions.  The other had absolutely no legal support for their stance, then did it anyway.

So yes, when is it alright to throw out the Constitution?  Just when your guy does it?

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The law should have been amended to deal with his actions and anything similar that might happen in the future.

Good men can choose what's best for the nation in extraordinary circumstances, so long as they're held accountable afterwards. Obviously nobody today thinks the Louisiana Purchase had negative results for the nation.

That was an extraordinary circumstance. The everyday ignoring of the law today is as ordinary as anything. Jefferson was acting under extraordinary circumstances. The legislature should have made it legal via a treaty or some such legality, or otherwise approved/rejected his executive decision. In the absence of Congress's authority making it clearly legal/illegal, we have the mess of illegality discussed here.

And there are far less "good men" in politics today than at this nation's founding. I think we need to err far more on the side of the law today than ever before, especially when there's no extraordinary circumstances at all.

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from wikipedia

"Both Federalists and Jeffersonians were concerned about whether the purchase was unconstitutional. Many members of the United States House of Representatives opposed the purchase. Majority Leader John Randolph led the opposition. The House called for a vote to deny the request for the purchase, but it failed by two votes, 59

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> Mister Spock wrote:

> The law should have been amended to deal with his actions and anything similar that might happen in the future.

Good men can choose what's best for the nation in extraordinary circumstances, so long as they're held accountable afterwards. Obviously nobody today thinks the Louisiana Purchase had negative results for the nation.

That was an extraordinary circumstance. The everyday ignoring of the law today is as ordinary as anything. Jefferson was acting under extraordinary circumstances. The legislature should have made it legal via a treaty or some such legality, or otherwise approved/rejected his executive decision. In the absence of Congress's authority making it clearly legal/illegal, we have the mess of illegality discussed here.

And there are far less "good men" in politics today than at this nation's founding. I think we need to err far more on the side of the law today than ever before, especially when there's no extraordinary circumstances at all.





No more questions.

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This has become one of the more entertaining discusions ever... I would make commentry, but it would probably be taken as trolling not political, as if there is a difference in modern day politics...

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