Re: Score: Your Opinion?

Let's face it, it's not really a good measure of success in IC.

Just wanted to ask you guys, if you have a better method of either:
1) Changing the formula to represent something more relevant/significant, or;
2) Having a new measure.

Networth and Pcount will always be dominant, in my eyes.  NW is good indication of infra/fleet and at end of round, more often than not it is pcount as the winner (I say more often than not, cos those n00b fams that just farm for planets are not winners).

So yea ...potential ideas for #2 (but harder to implement immediately) are things like "Most fleet destroyed", "most $$ spent on infra" etc.  But, I think these are more longer term objectives.  I'd be willing to hear ideas on this though.

But mainly, I'd be interested to know if anyone has a better formula/idea on 'Score'.

Thoughts?

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Hmmm talked about it last year allready and i hope  the thing i came up with is nice for everyone

Lets have a TP based ranking system
A ranking list we have whole year.

When a fam wins a round they get tp's for it and individual you can get tp's too
and when someone does dishonorble things they get minus tp's.

or name it a honor points based ranking list orso

maybe at the end of a year the first 3 people get awards like in money or in a year long vip orso

(didnt look into the details but something based on that)

we whould have some more competitions too.

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just have one for form,  showing biggest nw rises, planet rise, planet drop, ect ect.  most planets being swapped between fams at war.  make something fun.

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We used to have something similar, once upon a time, i recall.

How would that work in practice, Orbit?  Ie, like a daily benchmark or something?  So snapshot once a day?

@FD, seems interesting.  But.... it's qualitative I imagine?  I mean,  how do you decide who gets what points?

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the details we should talk about a little more yeah but say ( for example )

at the end of a round all members from top 1 fam gets 6 tagpoints, honorpoints or what ever we name them. top 2 get 4 tp's top 3 gets 2 tagpoints.

the awards each round could be rewarded too at least with more affect whole year.
say person x is best attacker gets x points and most dishonorble players gets x minus points etc.

all names are in one ranking list with best player at top etc

something like that ?   dunno the details but i can imagine we have a list from players whole year with those points .

people will focus on the top players in that list offcourse  becos they dont want them in top etc,

something like that?

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Oh ok, so everyone in the fam gets e.g 6 points, for a Fam victory?

That part seems clear.

Then what about 'best attacker' and 'most dishonourable player'.  Those things are usually just populartity type votes.  Hard to measure.

I do kinda like the points for fam members though.  I imagine we could have some kind of account type stats, eg:

Total Points - Points for winning/second/third, Points for Finishing a Round
Total Rounds Completed -
Average Points for each Round - (a measure of how much you win or something?)
Total times Killed Off -

etc

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yeah     how we can give the points we can discuss with the community yeah

i ment we have after almost every round that award thingie where all can vote/choose  maybe we can do that in a better way and have a auto page set up for every player at the end of the round in their HQ to vote orso

(dunno the best way just throwing something in the middle)

so that the community has a say in those points for a part too

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New messure!

If you attack fams lower than you, you lose score etc
^^

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Noone else has any ideas/recommendations on this?

10 (edited by Pharaoh Metrex 22-Jan-2013 08:22:43)

Re: Score: Your Opinion?

Maybe something that measures individual activity, then tallied up how active your fam is in regards to other fams?

some small resource attackers are on a lot helping out the fam where timezones dont even affect them due to staying up majority of the day, that should be measured. although like score it shouldnt be affected when someone deletes, unless they were very active and had issues, which would bring them down anyway.

[EDIT] and even some bankers need credit for their activity, one of the misconceptions is that bankers dont need to be as active but on the contrary if you're more active and aiding in it obviously helps a heap more.

In the end you can see which fams deserve their rank due to activity and would hopefully promote people coming on.

would be hard to determine activity when the [online] tag sticks for 2 hours or so, but yeah im sure you devs and mods can use a tool to check somehow.

anyway just an idea.

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I don't get the idea.  I mean, I get the concept.

But how will it work in practice?

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it would be neat to have a score system based on planets net gain from other families but this would be a dirrect indication of war to everyone.

perhaps a score based dirrectly on production, i though about one based on traded resources but that would be cheated and meaningless

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you're the developer! you tell me how it will work in practice lol

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twosidedeath wrote:

it would be neat to have a score system based on planets net gain from other families but this would be a dirrect indication of war to everyone.

perhaps a score based dirrectly on production, i though about one based on traded resources but that would be cheated and meaningless

Did you just suggest two ideas ...and then negate them -_-


Metrex wrote:

you're the developer! you tell me how it will work in practice lol

-_-  I only implement stuff tongue

Re: Score: Your Opinion?

There are a lot of interesting ideas here.  I especially like the idea of points that players win that carry over across rounds.  I also like the idea of a wider range of statistics like some are suggesting here.  Stuff like most attacks, most fleet killed, etc.

However, I think we should focus on one thing at a time.  IMO the simplest thing we can/should do is identify what is wrong with the score formula and fix and improve upon it.  For example, the fact that players deleting will take away from a family score is ridiculous and unfair.

If people don't like score because it is unfair, let's make it more fair.  I say we devs look at the formula and introduce a new revision for the players to provide feedback on.

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I like pie wrote:

If people don't like score because it is unfair, let's make it more fair.  I say we devs look at the formula and introduce a new revision for the players to provide feedback on.

Sure, agreed.  My view was to take players' opinion on a formula and implement that or a variation.  The formula for Score is known (it's in FAQ) already.  But yes, 1 month, no comment, now it resides in the Devs' hands.

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Also, it's not that the score is "unfair".  It just not been a good representation of anything.

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IT was an out the blue moment for Stefan, he thought it was a good thing do & just implemented it without considered, consultation. I only know this cos i was on the mod team when he did!

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Re: Score: Your Opinion?

I understand Stefan's reasoning for it.  Neither NW nor size are a good representation of a final rank.  However, I strongly disagree with the current formula, which everybody (including me) seems to hate.  Let's fix it!

And Torq, by "unfair" I mean that if it is meant to be used as a ranking measure, then it is unfair to punish families for player deletions.

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That's debateable.  Playing Devil's Advocate here, but the player must have deleted for a reason.  His points accrued could/should potentially go with him.  Do I agree with this? No, not necessarily - because I always believe in overall fam play, as opposed to individuals.

In any case, agreed, lets figure out a new formula.  Something a bit more representative and worthy of defining as a 'winner'.

@Wendy:  Thanks - that's what I thought.  I wasn't here when it was implemented, only came back as a player after it was brought in.

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That's a good point actually.  An important question we need to ask is if any circumstances at all should ever warrant point removal.  In other words, can/should there ever be a score penalty?

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22 (edited by [TI] Wendy 14-Feb-2013 10:49:49)

Re: Score: Your Opinion?

I am trying to remember what/how the scoring worked, you gain points for building, loggin in, attacking/exploring.
You lose score if players leave but that's about the only reason u lose points. Maybe you could implement losing points for attacking smaller fams or summat instead? Just an idea no clue how others would feel about it but at least it's so way to reward "fair/unfair/honourable/dishonourable" behaviours perhaps

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For Reference:

Score = (your NW / max NW in galaxy + your planet count / max planet count in galaxy) * (10 + turn number / 50)

At the moment, its attribtued to each player and then just summed up for the fam.

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Score is alright, just nothing you can stand behind for 100% atm to be the decisive factor/element.

Families who start with inactives and have to wait a couple days for active people to find their way, in that time they will have such a gap on score, due to other fams steadily growing with a full/near full fam and them having to boot players. So even if they were to catch up in nw and size, they can never win with score, even though most people will agree they have won the round if for example the number 1 fam since BOR has them tied on nw and size but beat on score.

Can you make score more like a system where, there's a set number of score points to be divided per "the"/several different stages in the round and let those accumulated points be the score to decide the winner at EOR.
If you let the set number of total score points to be divided grow as the round progresses and the more "the C in IC comes to play".

imo this would make score a lot more interesting and fairer as vs the old/current general score.

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[TI] Wendy wrote:

IT was an out the blue moment for Stefan, he thought it was a good thing do & just implemented it without considered, consultation. I only know this cos i was on the mod team when he did!

Lies!

Actually, no doubt truth. Anyway, the idea with it was to get away from the - it seemed to me - silly way rounds ended with "NW jumps" in the last tick(s) being the one and only way to play. Score was intended to cumulatively measure your performance during a round, not just the final hours. Every tick, the formula Torqez posted is added to your score. The formula places higher importance at the end of a round, but still "counts" the whole round.