lol

@yell:
"or like Chesterton put it, "A man who believes in nothing, will believe anything""
So yell is your opinion still like Chestertons that atheism causes one to give laws to much value by this statement? Or was it just the guys dyspraxia?

He also said:

Oh look, Kemp is making sweeping generalisations ... my how times change...

I think this: http://www.happyplace.com/19076/election-infographic-shows-most-educated-states-voted-for-obama

Shows more why Atheists/agnostics vote more for Obama (dem) vs Romeny (rep).

@apollo:
I think it was about religion growing instead of declining. Me and yell voiced our opinions why it would be a good or bad thing.

@PA:
I admit we go off topic here but your sig never had been more appropriate* I think its smarter to vote a third party or not at all in this case. Hell, I would choose a horse as president over any of those 2. Whether that horse is properly educated or not.

*edit: not directed at your own person, no insult intended. After reading my own post again, I see how it could easily be misinterpreted, lol.

^haha very true

I voted democratic but that was mainly because I couldn't live with Romney as President.  Voting for either one would have been against my interests.  Think next election I will vote Libertarian... even though they will have no chance of winning...  I think the fed government should take care of our elderly and disabled, feed those who are starving, and defend the country.  Outside of that, they can piss off.

Remember, my friends, that the Libertarian party needs only to get enough votes to garner more attention (and matching federal funds) in order to expose more people to their ideas and wake people up.

Both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of expansion of federal power and spending, and both support the Federal Reserve system of robbing the American people to enrich their wealthy handlers, ie the NWO and the international banks which comprise it. This is a huge deal and it keeps even the working in America from accumulating any wealth.

As the Jefferson quote in my signature is obvious evidence of, this isn't a new threat and learned men have been wary of it for hundreds of years. Unfortunately, in 1913, the globalist elite who want to rule over the entire globe (and keep the working man poor, dependent on government, and thus easy to control) achieved a monumental victory in the USA, the freest nation on earth.

I can't stand the way Libertarian marketing is handled (My formal education was foremost in Communication). But with more members and more scrutiny, I'm confident that it would have a chance to improve. Currently they run a tight budget and small staff. Their ideas are sound, and that's something to build upon.

This is relevant to the topic because the faithful (and faithless) are often torn between Democrats and Republicans. These parties are, by design, intended to offer people with different priorities the "lesser of two evil" options. The uber-wealthy would-be overlords of the globe learned long ago that Americans would settle for the lesser of two evils, and have been systematically getting such parties and candidates elected for most of the past century. Both parties expand federal power and spending and reduce individual rights, often including religious liberty. Neither offers a choice in this regard, only the promise that they're not as bad as the other guys on X, Y, and Z topics.

That's why the faithful (and faithless) should vote Libertarian. Because if you believe in gay marriage, Libertarians are for you: They don't want the federal government involved in your personal relationships. You can marry whoever or whatever you want! If you believe the definition of marriage should not be expanded to include homosexual relationships, Libertarians are for you: You can choose not to acknowledge or associate with homosexual "marriage" in any way. Libertarians aren't into indoctrinating your children to have or approve of any set of values. That's your job as a parent.

The Libertarian position on matters of religion is like what good parents teach their children at a young age: If it's not your business, keep your hands to yourself and everyone will get along just fine. This works out shockingly well for everyone who doesn't desire to reign over others.

Captain Apollo,

I'm confused by Christians being uncomfortable with Romney on account of his religion. While I think Mormons are crazy, I don't see why his religion should turn anyone off insofar as he sought no legislative nor executive changes which would impact Christians (or any religion) in any way, let alone negatively.

President Obama is a Christian in name only (no particular offense to him intended; there are tens of millions of Christians in name only in the USA). Are Christians often so shallow as to vote purely on a candidate's religion, even though the Mormon who takes his faith seriously proposes no laws which relate to his religion in any way, and the Christian obviously doesn't take his faith very seriously?

"OK how do you explain Hillary Clinton?  or perhaps more accurately, her supporters who seem to think her opinions have the force of God's Word"
The same way I explain why some people think the ayatollah, pope, Mao, Britney Spears (yeah I had to ) is the representative of God on earth. Self fulfilling rhetoric and propaganda do the trick just fine. If you read the same ideas everyday, you start to believe it. It works the same for every faith.

I do agree however, a large portion of the population would still go for any believe if they had none instead. But that could as well be a free market concept or, in Chestertons case, distributism.