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Well here comes the triple wammy

Thanks for re-electing Obama so he can take this on the chin and we can end the nonsense of socialism.


When Obama first got the Stimulus done he promised itnwould add or save jobs. His wlush fund... errr... stimulus fund ended upngiving tons of pay raises for Government Employees. More than most liberal States can afford without further aid. Aid that wont come thank the Lord.

Faced with a growing crisia these States are now announcing either crippling taxes (California), cut backs (Illinois), or layoffs. Oh yeah, big lay offs. The taxes alone are forcing mnay layoffs as well.


Next we have ObamaCare. The medical device tax that Democrats screamed and defended as essential? Every last one of them (almost) want it removed. Device makers are announcing either layoffs or that they are moving to other nations because the tax exceeds their profit margin. Tons of jobs are being lost as of Jan 1st there as well.

Then the fast food places and other companies are doing a major hours cut on employees. Almost no full time positions will exist in these industries now. The poor we were supposedly helping will have to work 2 jobs insread of one. Great work!

Worse is the coming shuttings and layoffs from Christian businesses who will not do the abortion funding. Those jobs will be shutting down at the same time, oh wonderful! Some companies are dropping insurance and others are trimming their work force to be under the limit. Yes more jobs lost.




Sequestration also rears its ugly head. The Pentagon just announced 800,000 jons ending. Other defense related industroes have announced severely high layoff notices. If Obama was not going green he could probably stop1/3 the layoffs... but he has friends to pay off.



It is not unlikely we could see 4 million jobs lost in the next 3 months. The fiscal cliff is a joke... this is the true cliff. That exceeds 10% unemployment.

And it is just the start.



Thanks for voting Obama in, now the lert is forever tied to"no jobs"

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lol, it's not Obama's fault that companies run by people who oppose the obama care laws are choosing to make a political stand by laying off people that really don't need to be laid off just to make a point and try to steer the ignorant populus into blaming the President and Democratic party.

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The costs, per resteraunt, for compliance, is 3 times theiir annual profit margin in some cases.

So they die  to comply or they make it so they dont have to comply.


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Yeah dfsf, companies are intentionally downsizing and losing business in order to attack Obama politically! Companies in America have a long history of choosing politics over profits!

...oh, wait. That's not accurate. Talk about an ignorant populace.

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They are layoffs that are unnecessary at this point and in the case of some of the companies has been used as a threat from the start of the Obama Care process to try and sway voters, Papa Johns for one example.  Those corporations do not even know what the costs will be for the insurance yet because most companies have not released plans yet under all the parts of the new law.  They are choosing to layoff people now a year ahead of when required to comply with the laws because they want to make a statement, not because they have to atm.

Also you talk about fast food workers specifically flint, most of those fast food workers were never full time before now so the idea that Obamacare is forcing them into making them part time is absurd.  As well in most cases they will all be covered by a government plan and pay less than they would with their companies plan.  The companies are only required to offer the plans but in many of the cases where the companies are currently complaining and threatening they probably won't end up having to cover most of the employees.

Before people try to judge costs/profits/etc, they should really wait till the whole system is close to being in place and actual limits and costs are established before they just assume.  Most of the problems you speak of have been going on for quite a while and have nothing to do with Obamacare whatsoever.

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If what you say is true, dfsf, surely those companies will go out of business because they'll be understaffed and their competitors won't be!

Corporations don't know what the costs will be because many of the regulations haven't been written yet. Why do you claim that it's "because most companies have not released plans yet"? They can't complete their plans; the regulations aren't complete. Much of the Affordable Care Act wasn't specific laws per say, it just gave new bureaucracies the legal authority to make all kinds of regulations which have not yet been finalized or, in some cases, even written.

Why are you vilifying companies for not completing plans when government hasn't yet told them what their costs will be?

How do you know they're choosing a statement over profits? Do you have access to these companies' business plans? Have you ever written a business plan with unknown costs approaching in the next year or two? Have you ever written a business plan?

It seems to me you're making a lot of judgements without very many facts.

Additionally, the Affordable Care Act defines any employee working more than 30 hours/week (130/month) as "full time," which is 10 hours short of the common-use definition. You're either being dishonest in referring to 30 hours as "full time" without specifying you're using a new definition, or you don't know what the law states yet are making claims about it.

How many hours does the average fast food employee work per week/month, anyway?

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Part time used to be 32 hours a week.

New standards for new Obamacare times.

The regulations that have been written are already driving costs up fast. That is fact. Im 2 years the worst comes. Expect 20% unemployment then,

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I don't think federal law broadly defines "full time" and "part time." I'm sure different agencies have reasons to have labels and criteria, but I'm not aware of any overarching federal law which discriminates.

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Actually the Obamacare regs kick in for employers with a certain number of employees who work more than 30 hours a week, which is why many are cutting hours down to that.

Blue Shield in CA is jacking up premiums 25%.  Companies may not know the ULTIMATE costs but they know its going to be bad.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/10/29/in-wisconsin-obamacare-to-increase-individual-insurance-premiums-by-30-says-obama-adviser/

30% increase Wisconsin

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/11/01/in-minnesota-obamacare-to-increase-individual-insurance-premiums-by-29-says-obama-adviser/

Minnesota 29%

Colorado 19% http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/10/30/in-colorado-obamacare-to-increase-individual-insurance-premiums-by-19-says-obama-adviser/



$63 dollars per plan in one regulation (more such expected) http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/11/obamacare-just-raised-your-health-care-premium-by-63/



So the costs are real and crying "conspiracy" dont cut it.

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BREAKING NEWS

Boehner is holed up in the Treasury building

He took Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan hostage

if Obama won't compromise he's going to blow them up and himself with him

it's his 2nd brilliant idea

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Word is Obama is willing to accept plan B now, lol. Boehner found his votes after all.... to bad most are not with his party.

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Plan B is not a solution, and, it cancelled out better stuff that the Republicans passed in August that the Senate refused to touch.

This is a chronic condition.  House passes something good, Harry Reid says "shove it" and then Boehner cracks and renounces his own solution for a failed compromise.  It's why we have sequestration in the first place.  If that goop had just said "We voted to continue the status quo. That isn't what we want but we have to give a little so you get the status quo.  Sign it. We're done."  he'd be the strong guy on Capitol Hill.

Instead he has Republicans voting with Democrats to raise taxes and not cut spending.  I'd say the party has never been weaker, but, those whores haven't passed amnesty and an assault weapons ban so they have a way to fall.

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sounds like Ron Paul when he wants some money

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He's never changed his tune. The Amerikan sheeple are just too lazy and ignorant to give a damn that they're being robbed.

Harming his constituents by declining the federal dollars they pay into as much as anyone else wouldn't make any difference. That money is such a tiny portion of federal spending that everyone refusing to take it would have a negligible effect on our deficits. It's not the problem, and he's not a hypocrite for not hurting his constituents to make some mislead political point.

He talks about the actual problem and never votes in favor of maintaining it or making it worse, which is more than I can say for 100% of the rest of Congress.

We have huge problems in this country. Our deficits are unsustainable. Ron Paul is talking about avoiding a crash when the bills come due. Nobody else in DC is. Absolutely nothing will be solved in these negotiations. Things will be made worse with more taxes and central planning. The American public will be taxed more, and the dollars they keep after taxes will be worth less as a result of inflation.

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I have to say I agree with Spock on this subject. Politicians stopped speaking the truth to the electorate a long time ago, and more importantly stopped doing what's right for their people and their countries as well.

We can talk about degrees of guilt and who wasn't as horrible as the other guy, but frankly to me that sounds like an extremely poor comfort.

It's not any better here in Europe than in the USA, it's just a show put on to entertain and gain popularity to win the next election, with no actual political discussion taking place. Campaigns consist of empty slogans and back and forth accusations and good for nothing moderated debates. It's sad really.

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