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Re: Organ donation should be opt out

Organ donation on death should be opt out in stead of opt in. The vast majority of people would have no trouble to donate their organs upon death, but the vast majority of people also coulndn't be bothered to fill out an opt in form because it's a hassle. Therefore an opt out program should be the way to go. It's the people that selfishly don't want to donate their organs that should get off their couches.

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Re: Organ donation should be opt out

Yup

http://youtu.be/9X68dm92HVI?t=5m4s

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Some years ago in a university classroom I heard multiple students explain that they feared that paramedics would (and accused them of doing so), in an emergency, check the IDs of the injured for organ donation status and help those who are not donors first.

I'd have been laughing hysterically if it wasn't so disturbing.

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entirely possible since they're already experimenting on you without your consent

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600982.html

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In Oregon donor status goes on your license and word around the city was statistics showed those with the donor status died twice as often due to injuries in accidents than those without, per capita. I don't know if true or not but... I am no donor

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That doesn't surprise anyone, Einstein.

Word around the city? Can anybody do any better than that, or is the word of a generally ignorant and idiotic populace enough to warrant letting people die?

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Rumors, inuendo, mistrust of public workers is good enough cause for reluctamce

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You're a truely selfless and giving man. Rumors and inuendo are enough to warrant not caring about human lives!

You make a strong case for your position. Here I expected you to just not care, but you've provided some good arguments and evidence that... wait, hahaha

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Ofc government regulations are the answer! I agree Kemp!

In any event organ harvesting DOES go on in China, what could go wrong here?

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Did I make a case for government regulation? No. Does organ harvesting in China have anything to do with what we're talking about? No.

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Requiring organ donations means regulations and larger government Kemp. Slippery slope

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I never suggested requiring organ donations. Wow. Having trouble responding to what's been said much?

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> Mister Spock wrote:

> Some years ago in a university classroom I heard multiple students explain that they feared that paramedics would (and accused them of doing so), in an emergency, check the IDs of the injured for organ donation status and help those who are not donors first.

I'd have been laughing hysterically if it wasn't so disturbing.

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I highly doubt first responders would take the time to check that during an emergency

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Considering how much i have worked with them i can say.... yes if the patient is unable to communicate... they do check (allergies, medical conditions, next of kin stuff as well)

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East,

Einstein's sure that they do.



Einstein,

You're right. Best to be on the safe side. Just in case you're unconscious and you get that one hypothetical whack-job paramedic monster rumored but never documented in the history of transplants, it's worth forgoing the 99.99999999% chance that you potentially could save multiple lives after you're gone.

We're not working with any evidence _whatsoever_ here, but hell, you've got a feeling, so [cluck] it!

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The annals of medicine abound with colorful stories of corpses who later prove to be less dead than doctors had thought. There's the 20-year-old Illinois man whose demise did not prevent him from coughing as a transplant team was about to excise his kidneys. And the Nashville man,

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Now there are hundreds of stories of people "coming alive" after bejng pronounced dead. Yes hundreds.

It is also a fact that 3 minutes... is the time they need, after your pronounced dead, to prepare to harvest you.


My life is worth more than 3 minutes.

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That's a result of a flawed "brain death" criterion. Maybe you should disagree more with that. Yes hundreds? That's such an astronomically tiny number compared to annual deaths I don't think you understand how tiny of a concern it is, even ignoring that the problem is largely solvable.

There are 100,000+ people waiting for organs in the US alone. You condemn them because of a flaw in medical practice, which is largely a result of the Republican garbage you support which has butchered and continues to butcher our medical industries. You obviously don't care about health, so I won't begin that diatribe here.

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You may have my organs when you shoot me enough that I can not resist.

Until then keep your hands off my body.


Btw its not just failed brain dead criteria. Not by far.

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Well with that extensive explanation and argument, who could disagree? You're not even going to name any of the other reasons for faulty death pronouncements? "Not by far," you say, yet without a hint of an example or suggestion of what you might be referring to.

I didn't propose forcing anyone to donate organs. I just suggested that you have absolutely no factual basis for your aversion to organ donation. Your constant refusal to respond to anything I've said and attacks on straw-men just shows that you know this.

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