Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

Ikea Admits Forced Labor Was Used in 1980s
By NICHOLAS KULISH and JULIA WERDIGIER
Published: November 16, 2012 91 Comments
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The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

It's called capitalism

The inmates are running the asylum

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

Yeah, because laws against slave labor are inherently antithetical to free markets.

Unfree labor is necessary for free markets? Do you care to elaborate on your position?

Your ignorance is offensive. If all you have is straw-men to attack, face the fact that you have no logical position at all. You're not even trying to offer insightful commentary or make any point whatsoever.

Hey mods, wanna remove a troll's post? Didn't think so.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

Kemp: A free market in the real world leads to less worker rights as the top management increase their own incomes, thus leading towards suituations which act just like forced labour, other than the fact the worker in the "free" market model may get some compensation, though hardly a fair representation of the input that worker has had to the final product.

Yes the argument is that in a "perfect" world the worker would be free to move to a different company that offers better conditions of employment, but in the real world this is sometimes not fesible, either due to family commitments, lack of information, lack of affordable housing/transport or just plain lack of jobs.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

I'm pretty sure family commitments, lack of information, lack of transport, worse benefits, bad commute, smelly office, etc. don't exactly equal being shot with an AK for hopping the wire

I don't think my career track as a paralegal is enforced by secret police.

hang on knock at my doo

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

6 (edited by V. Kemp 25-Dec-2012 08:31:55)

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

You_Fool,

If what you said is true, why are Americans so rich? Our "poor" are the top few percent of the globe.

You're literally just making up everything you're saying. You're pretending that all kinds of things which don't happen happen. You're ignoring all of the mechanics which are actually at work.

It's great that your academic theory is that freedom results in slavery, but all of the facts in the real world do not correlate with your theory.

If you choose certain restrictive family commitments, that's freedom, not slavery. If you lack information in this age (w/free libraries), that's your free choice to be ignorant, not slavery. The cost of housing/transport is cheap in free societies, only made expensive by large corrupt governments and their taxes.

In a perfect world, consumers would reward the producers of the best value products with their business. In a perfect world, businesses would reward the best workers with the best pay (lest other companies offer better pay and 'steal' them away).

The funny thing is, this "perfect world" you speak of actually happens to a large extent in free markets. Nothing is perfect, but free markets come much, much closer than anything else. You're ascribing to me the "perfect world" ideological position, while it's you espousing theory with no basis in the real world. Funny!

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/12/halloween_decorations_carry_ha.html

And your toys in a re-education camp

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

Einstein,

It's a shame that we trade with these people at all. Unfortunately there's no societal will to condemn slavery when it offers cheap products.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: Your Futon Was Built in the Gulag

people who decorate are evil

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.