Let me get this straight... anyone can pillage your resources at any time?

well it could work, if you have a thing for every player on your team. and you can select what people are able to take from you and what people cant.

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Ewww, no. It would cause more inactivity. You don't need to log in to send aid to bank. Just log in to build when it is your day. Would probably mess up the game more than it will help. What about the players don't want their stuff to be taken?

perhaps if you have taken some time to read my idea, posted several times and bumped, you wouldnt have to open this one.

(this is the last time i repeat it)

-modify the DS fund the way you can add/substract cash and ressies there
-the leader can set a limit to be substracted in a period, so the fambank does not empties at the end of the day. This period can be set at 8 tics, so whoever takes from the bank cannot retrieve again for 8 tics.
-vice leaders are allowed to substract half the bank in the period.
-leader is allowed to substrat it all at anytime

How to add to the family fund?
Simple, when you are aiding out, there's a new player in the list called "family fund"
The aiding operation will be showed in the family news

How to retrieve from the family fund?
1. Click 'family defense' link in the family page
2. There you'll see the amount stocked (cash and ressies) and 2 options: "Buy a DS" and "Retrieve from the fund"
3. Click 'Retrieve from the fund' -> the top amount allowed for you to be taken will be displayed (depending if you are a normal player, a VL or the Leader; Rogues are not allowed to retrieve anything).
4. Enter the amount you want in 5 bozzes and submit the orders (1 bozz for cash, 1 for iron, 1 for food, 1 for endu, 1 for octa)
5. IF you're trying to retrieve more than allowed you'll be told to enter a lower amount.
6. IF you're trying to retrieve before 8 tics have passed from your last visit you'll be told to try later.
7. The retrieve operation will be showed in the family news.

The family fund can be opped whenever a family player is opped, being the amount lost half waht the player lost. And it is very important to do this by amounts and not by percentages, why? because opping a small inactive player is too easy and could be abused.  So lets say ypur iron is contaminated and as result your empire loses 3200 iron -> the family fund will lose 1600 iron (if any, negative amounts won't be allowed).  Now they op an inactive player in your fam and easily destroy 3000 cash -> the family fund will lose 1500 cash.  Notice if you do it by percentages, the amount destroyed in the family fund by opping an inactive will be a lot higher (and very abusable).

Render, this is not your idea so get out of my thread.  i asked torqez and he said i need support to try it.  Killas, yes their maybe should be limitations and that is fine.  But either way people will have to learn to trust each other.

This wont make people more inactive.  Thats a dumb comment.  Inactivity makes people inactive, not the game functions.

I like it but maybe add a link under preferences or somewhere in the family page where you can check which empires in your family are allowed to take the aid from you so that you don't risk idiots taking advantage of it who aren't contributing to the general growth of the family.

Otherwise imagine the issues that guys like Baratheon will cause =p

Also Bara, Scorpion, and Kingsnine would make a billion occults when the family already has way to many occults... it would be a race to see who could take aid at start of a tick.

This wont make people inactive,  currently players are going inactive because everytime they log on they send to fam bank and log off,  they are in a line or order to build., fam bank is not responding so they cant do anything, the game is limiting their resourcefulness.

Inactive players will be killed off like normal so inactivity really isnt an issue here,  all it will do is improve game play.  i cant see how that is a bad idea Torqez.

They will have to learn how to share,  or their families will lose, no one will want to play with them,  they will be rogued and killed off im sure. 

People are still greedy with the current system, hows this different?

whoever is fam bank gets upkeep constantly, can build anything they want while everyone else gets scraps.

It would not be creating outcasts, it would be making the rest of the family secure against those who choose to be outcasts and would abuse it.  Ultimately all families would prefer for everyone to be a part of the same system to promote growth as a family and not force people to become outcasts, Sometimes you just get stuck with those who choose to be outcats and by restricting them to the ability discussed in this, they are able to be outcasts but not abuse and potentially cause problems for the rest of the family in using funds meant to go elsewhere.

I think the foundation of this idea is solid although not presented in the right way origionally to support how it could be rationally used without causing chaos.  I haven't really played in a few rounds now but there have been times I've randomed in as an attacker and just found that the rest of the family wasn't around to fund the necessary things that especially as an attacker are needed to be funded at certain times like portals, upkeep, expos, small fleet replacement and gotten bored before even getting to start due to that.  In the typical 2-3 top families in each galaxy, its generally not a big issue because you have hardcore players with a bank around the clock but the mid ranged families and smaller ones it causes me to not even want to waste my time.

@ dfsf, I just threw this idea out there because I used to play a similar type game called ectroverse with Appeltje and Hannes,  this game allowed the taking aid and it worked fantastically.  We were on different timezones, we were at school, at parties so not always able to communicate, instead we'd drop messages about what we needed to do and when we logged on we could take what we needed.

And as you smartly point out that is the problem with IC now,  that the reliance of the fam bank creates outcasts, and on top of that it makes players slack.  Too many times I've been waiting for stuff to build, or I've needed to make expos but i can't even get 80k gc. 

I want to rule my account, and I can't do that playing as a part of a fam bank system, because everyone is dictating our every move. 

Your suggestion as making it a VL only feature is wise, it would allow more freedom of aid movement, and prevent abuses.

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Torqez, your against the fam bank but your responses are the exact thing I've been listening to round after round,  "fam bank is the best system"  "its the most efficient"  "if we want to win we must play bank"

you're wrong im afraid,  fam bank has no bearing on the winner, half the players who are running the bank are idiots, and therefore fail their whole family,  when potentially they could be better individually. 

I was there when family bank was created, I remember it like yesterday when PP used to hold all the aid together, but it wasn't the way we use it today,  every member still had to do their job.  And PP was a smart guy, you can't copy a system from a guy like PP and think you can do it as well, because every player is different,  PP had courage, and he was a expert at multi tasking.

Now fam bank just does 1 task at a time.  and everyone is waiting.  everyone is looking to win, rather then looking to build a strong family.