26 (edited by Little Paul 27-Nov-2012 21:42:22)

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"The point is that, as long as oil is cheaper, it'll still be used, regardless of cost. We'll just pay that cost."
Thats what opec thought in the '70. If you mean cheaper compared to other energy resources or labour, that is determined by ROEI, so proving my point!

Maybe its easier for you to go step by step. Take as a first step the direct cost into account to produce oil. In the early days it might have been 1 needed to a couple hundred gained, as it came out of the ground by itself at many places. Imagine that would be 1 to 2. The total amount of TR barrels will be the same in both scenarios.

Examples that might increase ROEI:
Efficiency of oil usage
Efficiency of transportation
Efficiency in production or refinery
New discoveries of fields with a high ROEI

"I literally can't even tell what you're trying to say or what you disagreed with. "Without it...." Without what? Without oil? What scenario is that? What are you talking about?"
Without "these energy resources".

The bottom line is the total amount of barrels are not that important in this debate. Let me give you an example. You could produce tons of bio-oil yet gain almost no economic advantage. But the total amount of barrels produced will increase (shortly, as it is an economic disaster).

27 (edited by V. Kemp 27-Nov-2012 22:05:35)

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Are you going to make a point? It's nice that you're rambling about ROEI and all, but it has nothing to do with this thread or anything anyone's said. If you think it does, we'd love to why you think so.

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yell, i acknowledge your post. big_smile

"I was beginning to think you were afraid to fight."
"I'm just naturally lazy, but I will if I have to."

Retired

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I don't.

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

30 (edited by Captain Apollo 27-Nov-2012 22:21:23)

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i have never ridden (rode on?) a train...
X(

"I was beginning to think you were afraid to fight."
"I'm just naturally lazy, but I will if I have to."

Retired

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yikes

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

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its true

"I was beginning to think you were afraid to fight."
"I'm just naturally lazy, but I will if I have to."

Retired

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yikes

it's awesome just don't sit at the end cars or you get motion sickness

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Trains use oil.

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Or steam!

Make Eyes Great Again!

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Pff steam is so 80 years ago.

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They still existed, though!

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Why not just turn everyone in the prisons into slaves and use them to transport goods?  That's more more economical and environmentally than combustion.

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Give each of them a wheelbarrow. better yet. make them construct their own wheelbarrow.

"I was beginning to think you were afraid to fight."
"I'm just naturally lazy, but I will if I have to."

Retired

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playing wheelbarrows is fun and efficient because everybody loves being in a wheelbarrow race!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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The yell makes an excellent point, it is unnecessary to give them wheel barrows, just let them use each other.

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I'm not saying that oil is bad

Putting personal beliefs aside, a driving force towards developing green energy is climate change, which combustion from fossil fuels contributes to.

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
~ &#9773; Fokker

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At least, that's what people claim with no scientific basis.

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At least, that's what people claim with no scientific basis.

We've had plenty of those threads. So let's not let this thread derail any further.

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
~ &#9773; Fokker

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@spock
"Are you going to make a point? It's nice that you're rambling about ROEI and all, but it has nothing to do with this thread or anything anyone's said. If you think it does, we'd love to why you think so."
What part didn't you understand? You can disagree with the arguments given but its hard for me to believe you don't understand it, because I gave it to a 8 years old English speaking kid today and he understood.

Again:
The significance of the amount TRB is relative to what you can do with those barrels. I can't put it more simple.

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"Significance"? lol okay. Simple is not a good thing when it's meaninglessly vague. Way to not have a point.

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@ Little Paul
Mr. Spock seems to just like arguing for arguments sake.  He made up an argument he was apparently having with me earlier in this thread.

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He says it's "significant."

To what?

In what way?

If it's so obviously on-topic and relevant, whatever it is he's declined to state specifically, please clear it up. If you cannot do so, I suggest you also have no point and are just being argumentative.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

49 (edited by The Yell 28-Nov-2012 18:33:26)

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If it's more profitable to leave the oil in the ground, than pump it out and sell it, down in the ground it will stay.


Let's go Paul Ryan and promise every American 100 barrels of crude a year, and let them use vouchers to get the refined equivalents.  Those of us who use less plastic and hydrocarbons in shampoo and live where utilities burn natural gas or coal, shall pwn.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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@undeath
I have the same feeling. He's either deliberately ignoring the point or seriously lacks some background on the subject.

@spock:
Yell said it another way in his first sentence. Maybe that will get you any further?

The thread is about the peak oil theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory