101 Reply by V. Kemp (edited by V. Kemp 17-Nov-2012 06:22:01)

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They actually read the Constitution before. And they knew that a few culturally relevant and historically significant references to the 10 commandments or crosses didn't amount to an establishment of religion or interference with the practice of anyone's religion.

They didn't build any churches or invest significant money into anything remotely "religious," so that was lawful. But they didn't whine when a 95% Christian community used private money to put up a cross as a war memorial either, which some forget was and is lawful.

I understand that slippery slopes are bad and all, but when literally no argument can be/is made that any coercion or "establishment" of religion is happening, it's not necessarily a violation of the US Constitution. The purpose of the first amendment is to protect people's speech and free exercise of religion, not whitewash ALL religious references from EVERYTHING a person might EVER witness in public/on public land.

If a memorial to military sacrifice includes a Christian symbol, for example, and 95% of those who made the sacrifice were Christian, I don't necessarily see a problem. Sure, I think it should make a point to acknowledge non-Christian sacrifice in this example, but paying homage to the guiding faith of the vast majority of those involved isn't necessarily an "establishment" or endorsement of a religion. It's just history and respect. Let local governments, elected by and representative of their constituents, make such decisions and the federal government doesn't have a problem.

I think the point is that it's unconstitutional for a Kenyan to be president, so recounts are unnecessary!

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Yell,

That doesn't mean there isn't a wall of seperation of church and state. I think they would have argued that some displays of religion just aren't compelling enough to be considered an establishment of religion, or a an example of preferential treatment.

Kemp,

With the memorial example, where private money was raised, I can tolerate it.

And it's irrelevant whether Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii. His mother was a U.S. citizen, and therefore he qualified as a U.S. citizen at birth. Therefore, he is eligible to be president.

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>>That doesn't mean there isn't a wall of seperation of church and state. I think they would have argued that some displays of religion just aren't compelling enough to be considered an establishment of religion, or a an example of preferential treatment.<<

So, those arguing that all displays of religion on federal property, are preferential treatment violating the separation of church and state, are wrong to argue they can rely on the authority of Jefferson and Madison?

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104 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 17-Nov-2012 08:02:10)

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Not necessarily. I think the proper response would be "who cares?" Kind of like how marriage is prostitution, but really, who cares?

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Objection! A girl has to let you touch her without purchase before you make such claims! I know the law. I AM THE LAW.

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The lefties are pretty insane in their intolerance as is some Libertarian types (not Kemp in this case).

A judge had a privately made and donated stone replica of the 10 commandments in his lobby of his court. In legal terms they are some of the oldest known (In fact the most widely distributed as well) laws regarding human behavior.

Even if you are an athiest you should recognize historical references to laws as acceptable (even if at the time in a religious context historically speaking).

However the left, the ACLU, and certain athiests come unglued at the mere thought of any reference to the 10 Commandments in a Court Room.

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