Kemp,

1. Birth Control

So your argument seems to be that:

1. If S needs X to survive and can not afford it, then you may agree that a conscientious objection is cancelled out because S's rights are more important.
2. The pill is affordable for someone who is employed, or covered by those on welfare.
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Therefore, there is no necessary reason to force the employer to cover S's expense.

If that is your argument, then my counter argument is that we are then forced to potentially burden a woman with an annual $600 for what could have been $120.00 (assuming the insurance dropped the price down to $10.00 from $50.00), and she forfeits an annual $480.00 to her medication deductible. I'm saying that's unfair, and I don't see how the employer's right to a conscience is more important.

But you are right, I do not hold a person's conscience against abortion in high regard. I'm only willing to grant the employer their exemption as a conscientious objector when the birth control is used as a contraceptive without another valid medical reason.

Moreover, I believe that the freedom of religion should be radically reinterpreted. It should mean that while people are free to practice their religion privately within reason, the public is also free from their religion. There ought to be an iron wall between religion and state/secular institutions. Which is why I am okay with people going to church and living as conservatively as they want (unless it involves abuse etc), but I am impatient with political social conservatism, conscientious objectors, bibles in courts, and faith-based initiatives.

2. BeoWolfe and Women

Again, I did not say anything about saving poor women. Unless, of course, saving them means ending abstinence-only education for good. All I meant was that we should not judge poor women's irresponsible sexual choices so harshly. We should show them some empathy for their circumstances, which are often partly the government's fault. Even Milton Friedman showed empathy for poor people, because he understood the perverse incentives the government imposed on them due to the misguided intentions of dogooder politicians.

3. Obamacare

Finally, I think Obamacare should be completely overturned. I was on the fence until recently, but my escort told me all about Obamacare, including the reasons why specific companies are considering whether to cut their number of employees or cut the hours of some employees to below full time. What she told me about Obamacare opened my eyes to the monstrosity it is.

At the very least, they all use condoms.

Yell,

Ever read St. Augustine? If you do, you will realize he implies an important point about politics. The basis of the state is not religion, or democracy as it is today. It is iron and blood. Religion and democracy merely obscure that fact.

Justinian I,

"1. If S needs X to survive and can not afford it, then you may agree that a conscientious objection is cancelled out because S's rights are more important."

S is a null set, so what are you talking about? The state already provides contraception via healthcare assistance to the poor. Every single woman with an income disqualifying her for state assistance can afford birth control. It's that cheap.

You're just trying to parse my arguments because you refuse to respond to my simple, inescapable points. Nobody is being denied birth control. Nobody is dying for lack of it. The state provides it. It's cheap. Nobody with a job providing health insurance which doesn't cover it can't afford it. Nobody. I've pointed this out repeatedly but you're just ignoring it because, for whatever reason, you're fixated on birth control as a human "right." In any event, nobody knows who you're talking about. There's literally nobody in your S group.

I'm glad the Constitution of the United States gives us rights (not that many are still protected), because many share your view that people are slaves to the state.

"Moreover, I believe that the freedom of religion should be radically reinterpreted. It should mean that while people are free to practice their religion privately within reason, the public is also free from their religion."

I agree. Nobody is forcing anyone to work for someone who objects to paying to kill their babies. So it's already interpreted in that way today. And nobody is forcing anybody to pay to kill others' babies. So it's already interpreted that way today. Though, government does use my tax money to kill human beings. So you're objecting to government providing contraception except, perhaps, in the case of medical conditions (not counting pregnancy)?

"Again, I did not say anything about saving poor women. Unless, of course, saving them means ending abstinence-only education for good. "

How about, the government isn't responsible for teaching my children, or anyone else's, about the birds and the bees? The government cannot solve trashy culture. The government cannot save everyone's children from crappy parents. Any ignorance is not a result of abstinence-only education. I find your attempts to substitute government for your mother disturbing.

MTV is so disgusting. WTB better parents so they go out of business.

Planned Parenthood is good at helping minors hide their destructive and unhealthy (both physically and pscyhologically) behavior from their parents, who are still legally responsible for their well-being. Yay for hurting kids?!

Because if your 16 year old daughter gets a disease and pregnant, clearly what she needs most is an abortion and some medication. All better!

It's rude to respond to what Einstein is actually talking about. He never does it to anybody!

Sometimes races shift 4,000 votes instantaneously at 1am. Don't judge.

BUT it's my business if blacks in harlem can't get mortgages, gays in Vermont get fired for putting their wedding photo on their desk?  THEN I gotta march on Washington to give orders to every business in America with another Civil Rights Act?  MYOB = MYOB = MYODB

or is my political conscience something for the Democrats to flick like a lightswitch?  Abortion OFF, Gay marriage ON

Adrius.... tsk, tsk,tsk  What has gotten in to you?  I don't recall saying a what a woman could or could not do with her body - its YOUR types of people demanding that I get involved.   I have to pay for other peoples abortions and health care and now birth control.... really?

"Any person or party who thinks they have the right to dictate to other people how they should live, based on a 2000 year old book, needs to be removed from our society. Its almost 2013 guys."

Wow.... coming from a guy who backs the party who thinks that the government shouldn't allow me to buy a 44oz soft drink... the same party that tells me I MUST buy health care or be punished...

I will gladly take the wisdom I can find in a 2000 year old book that tells me I can over come anything though God over the ramblings of a President who tells me I can't survive unless the government is there to control me, tell me what to eat, tell me when I can see a doctor, tell me how much money I can make...  you obviously believe the opposite - I believe its those types of people who need to be removed from society.

I never read the american constitution, but is religion mentioned in it at all?

I've always wondered how the "in God we trust" got onto your money and the "one nation under God" got into the pledge of allegiance. Enlighten us oh wise Zarfeh.