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proof?
 

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You misunderstand my question. I have no trouble believing there is lots of recoverable oil in the US. I have no trouble believing we could be energy independent. More oil drilled > more oil supply > lower prices. I understand this basic market theory. My question was, how did you arrive at $2? Why not back to $1?

I dont need more

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If he allowed drilling then prices in Oregon would bw $2 a gallon and trucks would haul gas south to sell for $2.45

I know it's a longshot, but still waiting on that proof.

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I am still wondering why you'd want fuel prices this low.
Research has shown that increasing fuel prices barely has an influence on the usage of cars.

If it has an influence on it, great, people will walk more, good for the environment, stops obesity!
If not, more profit for either oil companies or the state.

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Low prices help the poor. But Primo does not care about them.

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Why would you want the price of energy low?

Because it leads to a higher standard of living of literally everyone in society, especially those with the least to spare.

Hi. I'm common sense. I could explain a lot of obvious things in greater detail! Are you seriously suggesting that you have no knowledge of me and need such obvious facts explained to you!?

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Tax revenues could be used to help the poor in better ways than low gas prices would, Einstein.

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32 (edited by V. Kemp 28-Oct-2012 20:05:11)

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How would taking more of their money, reducing it by administrative costs, and then giving some of it back benefit the poor?

How would government spend the money better than individuals for themselves? You're arguing that poor people are stupid.

You do understand that nearly everything is transported with gasoline and gas prices impact the price of almost everything? Obviously not.

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33 (edited by Justinian I 28-Oct-2012 21:09:36)

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At an environmentalist point of view, high gas prices mean less consumption. However, China is far more inefficient with CO2 waste than the U.S is, and their shady diplomacy has guaranteed them a certain supply of cheap oil. China has done so by making alliances with oil producing countries like Russia, Venezuela and Iran. Moreover, by threatening the global balance of power in the Middle East by aiding Iran's nuclear proliferation, China has intimidated Saudi Arabia in to granting them a guaranteed supply of cheap oil as well.

Although I haven't looked in to the math, it seems plausible to me that letting the U.S. consume more oil while restricting China's consumption would have a more positive environmental impact than artificially raising gas prices.

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[rejected costume] wrote:

Obama wants higher gas prices because he wants to destroy the car economy.

yea, didn't you see his last campaign add? Everyone ride a bike!

Seriously grow up tongue

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He's openly talked about wanting energy and gas prices to "skyrocket" to radically change consumption and our society.

Regarding gasoline, he

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Ok a couple of things:

- you need to watch your language and your general tone in this forums; everyone else is not posting for your entertainment or for you to take your issues out on them; you have been warned about this before.

- I did not say he doesn't want "gas prices to raise", I just highlighted Yell's comment which is a total exageration; I doubt Obama wants prices to rise, but it is natural for them to do so when based on a finite and highly demanded resource. As you posted, he does say a gradual rise would be preferable and that we need to go on a different reaction. It's all self evident tbh.

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1.  Those of us who have paid attention to what Obama has said know, as Spock does, that he has come right out and said he wants very high gas prices here, and he wants the physical destruction of older car models (Cash for Clunkers required that as a condition of the grant), and he is promoting the Volt which has a radius of less than 50 miles; and his big infrastructure push is: high speed rail-- which doesn't improve the automobile economy one bit.

Barack Obama wants to destroy the automobile economy. He does not want households to have 2 cars or the common worker to hire himself out with a truck.  He wants to make that impossible to afford, unsupported by the auto industry, and regulated out of existence if necessary.  He does it, again, by destroying the viability of alternatives.

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This debate is really a perspective issue.

Most voters would be happy at the thought of government handouts, but sensible people recognize that isn't good for the big picture.

Most voters would be happy at the thought of lower gas prices, but sensible people recognize the need to reduce reliance on fossil fuels.

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He doesn't actually do any of that, but you guys are too deep in your own anti-Obama mentality that it's near impossible to have an actual debate with you.

I'm glad you're so self righteous. I wish I lived in that world too.

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> He doesn't actually do any of that, but you guys are too deep in your own anti-Obama mentality that it's near impossible to have an actual debate with you.<<


He doesn't want higher prices, like Spock quoted and you admitted he said?
He didn't make the destruction of the older model vehicle with silicate, a condition for the cash towards a new vehicle in Cash for Clunkers?
He doesn't push the Volt? It gets better than 50 miles a charge?
He isnt' pushing high-speed rail? High speed rail will carry your cars along?

Or you mean, he did all that but it doesn't add up to wanting destruction of the automobile economy? He's oblivious to the damage he's doing?


>I'm glad you're so self righteous. I wish I lived in that world too.<

Self-righteous apparently = winning with facts.

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Spock, you are right, I absolutely forgot rich people do not use fuel, silly me.

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I use on average 130 gallons a day.

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> He doesn't actually do any of that, but you guys are too deep in your own anti-Obama mentality that it's near impossible to have an actual debate with you.<<


He doesn't want higher prices, like Spock quoted and you admitted he said?
He didn't make the destruction of the older model vehicle with silicate, a condition for the cash towards a new vehicle in Cash for Clunkers?
He doesn't push the Volt? It gets better than 50 miles a charge?
He isnt' pushing high-speed rail? High speed rail will carry your cars along?

Or you mean, he did all that but it doesn't add up to wanting destruction of the automobile economy? He's oblivious to the damage he's doing?


>I'm glad you're so self righteous. I wish I lived in that world too.<

Self-righteous apparently = winning with facts.

those are all good measures towards energy independence and making sure we are more environmental friendly.

it's still not the same as wanting to destroy the auto industry.

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I prefer to get energy independence by pumping and refining more gas.

And yes, shoving us towards more expensive cars with a shorter cruising radius and focusing on mass transport is working to destroy the automobile economy.  And the middle class.

By "automobile economy" I mean more than the industry of making and repairing cars.  I mean that and the other portions of the economy that depend on rapid, economic transport of persons and up to a thousand pounds of their chosen cargo from any two points connected by road.  So not just GM, but, any independent plumber.  Suburban developers.  Supermarkets.

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So you are saying Obama has effectively managed to slow down the transporting industry as well as raising prices? That's a great feat.

The problem is your ideology and thinking on how to tackle the the challenges of tomorrow are quite outdated. If you do not start to find real solid alternatives to oil you'll be having this same debate in a few years all over again, but with much more dire consequences.

Could Obama make an effort to lower gas prices? Maybe, even keeping in mind the government does not control gas prices. But I think he is correct for at least trying to raise awareness and some sense of urgency about alternatives.

If you guys are so upset at outrageous gas prices, why don't you go protest outside the offices of your beloved corporations who actually do control gas prices and make billions and billions of profit every year?

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Because a protest such as that only benefits the gas/oil companies. They could go an entire year without fuel sales, and not hurt a bit, but the millions of American's who use fuel to maintain a living standard would suffer greatly. Ever see Mad Max?

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So you prefer to hate on someone who may or may not be able to minimally affect gas prices rather than singling out the people who do have control over it and couldn't care less about you if they tried?

I like your logic.

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Hey hey, I don't hate on Obama any more than I do on Romney.

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Genesis you bounce from saying "obama doesn't want higher gas prices" to saying "it's great Obama wants higher gas prices" to "Obama doesn't have anything to do with gas prices"  and belitting anybody who doesn't agree with your instant declared opinion.

My point of view is

Obama wants higher gas prices
It's stupid to want higher gas prices
Whatever you think we could do to demand lower gas prices, it'd work a lot better with a sympathetic President.

Invent a motor that works as well as a car, as long as acar, for as cheap as a car, and we'll throw the internal combustion engine away.  But anybody bitching about "urban sprawl" and "carbon emissions" can go spin a wind turbine.  I WANT urban sprawl.  It grows GDP and raises the standard of living.

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50 (edited by Key 01-Nov-2012 02:41:37)

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Actually prices went up after Syria went to war...prices went up.  Then when they were going down, word was handed down that Iran was going to blockade the strates waterway, where the oil is funneled through by several countries, then the prices JUMPED UP, then started shifting down....then all the sudden THREE refinery explosions on the west coast?  One in Washington, and two in California....and the priced JUMPED...two of the investigations are still continueing, and one of the lead investiagors is stating ARSON.  No lives were lost.   The big refinery explosion back in 95' killed 15 workers and injured 80 more....  Yahhhh.....right...... Three refinery explosions on the west coast, and not a SINGLE worker injured....hmmm....interesting....

And now we have a STORM on the EAST COAST...which has nothing to do with the WEST COAST...and the prices start going up.

This doesn't include a FOURTH REFINERY ACCIDENT in the last three days....

Who controls the oil pricing again?

Einstein...your an investigative MORON...."It's all about drilling or not drilling that effeccts prices...."

I don't know, looks more like Wall Street SPECULATIVE traders to me, so yah, i'm gonna call shenannigans and BULLSHIT with your posts.

I'm kinda glad your not in any political office, because clearly you know how to lie through your teeth, except you do it to the point that ...people can smell the cow excrement extruding from your highly incorrect posts.

"The president is the one who is at fault for high oil and gas prices." 

What leprachaun pot of gold story did you pull out your ass, Einstein?

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