Manticore you have no clue, why dont you ask the big fams, 40, 46, 38 who has done the most damage to them this round... im sorry for bullying the galaxy

its called core cleaning.

1. Download map gen
2. Dowload map for current round.
3. Check where other fams are located and dont explore close to their hs's, chanses are ur gone loose ur planets if u do.

Im sure 74,54...75,61...73,63...77,47...75,53...77,50... were well within your core, you core must consist of Sector 1, 2 and 4...or do you consider sector 3 as part of your core?

Gee I wonder why... is it because there is someone their size and they don't like fair fights?

Please inform me how your core extends from sector 1 to section 4.

From my nearest planet to your HS it is 21 ticks, and that is with 100% speed bonus and my nearest planet is quite a bit closer to your HS than the planets you took. I love how you try to justify your actions... I guess its the only argument for losers who can't take anyone their own size... you were in our core, and everything within 25 ticks of our HS in every direction is our core. I wonder do you enforce your "core" out to 25 ticks with everyone or just the families who can't fight back? Also, to point something out, the furthest point someone has to travel is 50 ticks, so why did you chose 25 ticks from your HS? Why not 50?

Adapt? How would you suggest my family and the other small fans adapt? Do we surrender systems within 10 ticks of our HS because they happen to fall in someone's 25 or 35 tick core? Its really easy to say establish communication and try to get them to agree to one thing or another, but getting them to answer a msg is hard enough getting them to stop when they know you can't do anything about it is all that much harder.

And how would a trade work? They are 30 or more ticks from their HS within 10 ticks of my HS where would they trade me planets? On the other side is 40 and they farmed us early on and I suspect with that 24h NAP they will do so again as soon as e-stage is over, so where exactly do you suggest we trade?

Dont mistake this for whining, this is venting, I have already given up on IC like the thousands of other players who have left this game permanently I will leave after this round is over right along with dozens of players because of shit like this. At the end of the day things are already stacked against us as it is and then we have families attacking us in places that they cannot conceivably claim as their core as it would encompass several families as well.

Negotiations work well if both sides have a trick or two and both sides have something to fear, when it is so one sides as this and considering we are just over 40% of their NW and already in a War they hold all the cards negotiation depends on them completely and they don't seem to want to negotiate as they know we can't do anything about it and no one will do anything either.

Years ago, I played in a number of bottom ranked families and we worked our way up through team work good planning but now it seems impossible as there are planets waiting to be explored and the 3rd ranked family is attacking the second last family...

> EvilRunt the Hated wrote:

> Yea this is an ongoing problem but it happens now with such a limited number of families. What goes around comes around is all I can say

It won't be getting any better, in fact it will get worse as soon there will be only a couple of fams playing IC. Most of the top fams are stacked as it is, every round they recruit their friends and are always at the top with full active families while the rest of us are at the bottom with half active or inactive families having to deal with that while getting farmed by people we have no chance of fighting back.

This game is nearly dead because there are a number of well connected players who are against any changes that would challenge the status quo, the changes made are not designed to improve the game and draw new players in rather they are cosmetic changes that fix none of the main problems of the game and do not address the reasons why people leave. Every round there are less and less players in this game and actions like this are forcing the few reminding players to leave.

And Karma will not save the game, as I will be gone right along with I suspect dozens of other players at the end of the round  just like every other round for the last few years more players have been leaving than joining and no new players stick around for more than half a round to a round. Old players tend to come back every so often but as of late most are quitting for good and there are only so many players to go through before everyone of them has quit.

> ~Killas~ wrote:

> I remember when I could attack where I wanted and people would fight back. I could take a system without people yelling and declaring war but this is long gone.

Truth is obvious to anybody who had played this game a while, there are less  targets now and less other small fams to fight after you have been beat up by a big guy. This cannot be fixed without more fams however we don't have enough players to populate more fams.

A family such as 41 doing this is kinda pathetic... I msg'd them we were fighting 43 and asked them to stop the attacks as we were fighting a family our own size and that 41's lowest nw person was almost as big as our largest.   They instead took us for another 15-20 planets and I'm sure there will be more tomorrow as most of the attackers went offline to brag or bang their meat to a badass victory over a miniature family... whatever they do in their spare time anyway.

The main reason people quit playing is because those few that are "known" always somehow seem end up in a family with their buds who are active (not saying this is someone in the IC world "putting together" their favorite teams, but....  Then there are those active people that hit small families and they could be good with a little guidance, but instead they just random until they hit a top family.   

IC needs to be dropped to a single galaxy.  IC needs to set a policy if you quit the family you're sitting out the rest of the round.   This would keep people from quitting continuously until they hit a good, err bigger family.  Activity in any family can make a good family, but, when you start with 6 inactives there's no way to catch up with the continuous farming/vulturing by those lucky few families that always seem to end up with 90% active from the start and the other 20% that join, see the family rank and quit again!

12 person family shouldn't have 3 drafts or whatever they have.  And anyone quitting shouldn't be allowed to play rest of round.  This would EVEN out the families. 

1 draft to get in with a friend, etc.  Delete you're gone for round!   The rounds would be a lot more fun and probably not run people off near as quick!

From my point of view, it's just people who suck at RL so it makes them feel better if they got the power in some internet game, obviously the fact with #41.

It's all about dignity / honour, I would be ashamed if I need to pick on one of the lowest ranked fams while being nr 1 in size, yes it's a wargame but that doesn't mean it's normal to ruin the game for people actually giving an effort in having fun in the game.
It's probably about the fact people nowadays hardly can appreciate a real /good war , even if that means that both party's are matched the same strentgh/sources.

41 is messing 45 for some time and seems like vulturing as they are in a conflict with 43 some time now, something they would easily spotted with a infil or sometin, it simply shows the lack of selfrespect from 41!

And yes I been at the top for many times, making me quite capable to draw the conclusions I just did