Re: War Watch! Turkey authorizes military action against Syria!

After a cross border mortar attack killed 5 civilians in Turkey.... Turkey has authorized military force against Syria.

Turkey has already done two artillery attacks in retaliation and might actually invade.

Quite a turn of events for NATO and Russia!

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And we might finally get an answer to one of the questions that have plagued humanity for decades "If Turkey gets attacked in the rear - will Greece help?".

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Dude... can Greece even afford a military? Lol

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4 (edited by The Yell 04-Oct-2012 16:06:20)

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Turks have cojones

in 2005 they mobilized 4 divisions onto the Syrian border because Assad was playing footsie with that OPK Kurdish-separatist terrorist movement that's been biting Turkey.
Assad was like "OH, oh THOSE Kurds, I was confused..so...no kissing Kurds huh? Haha all you had to do was say so...um...yeah"

I think Russia has been careful to play nice with them.

BTW although 60 years of Presidents have been very very careful to say NATO is not aimed at anybody and provides common "defense" it was drawn up so all NATO members are obliged to fight for a NATO member no matter who starts it-- because in 1914 Italy was committed to DEFEND Germany and Austria but skipped because they weren't technically attacked.  NATO was drafted with that in mind so that everybody is committed from Day One however the war starts

If Turkey fights it can call on the Netherlands and Norway to send troops to Syria

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> Einstein wrote:

> Dude... can Greece even afford a military? Lol<<

Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party is increasingly assuming the role of law enforcement officers on the streets of the bankrupt country, with mounting evidence that Athenians are being openly directed by police to seek help from the neo-Nazi group, analysts, activists and lawyers say.

In return, a growing number of Greek crime victims have come to see the party, whose symbol bears an uncanny resemblance to the swastika, as a "protector".

One victim of crime, an eloquent US-trained civil servant, told the Guardian of her family's shock at being referred to the party when her mother recently called the police following an incident involving Albanian immigrants in their downtown apartment block.

"They immediately said if it's an issue with immigrants go to Golden Dawn," said the 38-year-old, who fearing for her job and safety, spoke only on condition of anonymity. "We don't condone Golden Dawn but there is an acute social problem that has come with the breakdown of feeling of security among lower and middle class people in the urban centre," she said. "If the police and official mechanism can't deliver and there is no recourse to justice, then you have to turn to other maverick solutions."

Other Greeks with similar experiences said the far-rightists, catapulted into parliament on a ticket of tackling "immigrant scum" were simply doing the job of a defunct state that had left a growing number feeling overwhelmed by a "sense of powerlessness". "Nature hates vacuums and Golden Dawn is just filling a vacuum that no other party is addressing," one woman lamented. "It gives 'little people' a sense that they can survive, that they are safe in their own homes."

Far from being tamed, parliamentary legitimacy appears only to have emboldened the extremists. In recent weeks racially-motivated attacks have proliferated. Immigrants have spoken of their fear of roaming the streets at night following a spate of attacks by black-clad men on motorbikes. Street vendors from Africa and Asia have also been targeted.

"For a lot of people in poorer neighbourhoods we are liberators," crowed Yiannis Lagos, one of 18 MPs from the stridently patriot "popular nationalist movement" to enter the 300-seat house in June. "The state does nothing," he told a TV chat show, adding that Golden Dawn was the only party that was helping Greeks, hit by record levels of poverty and unemployment, on the ground. Through an expansive social outreach programme, which also includes providing services to the elderly in crime-ridden areas, the group regularly distributes food and clothes parcels to the needy.

But the hand-outs come at a price: allegiance to Golden Dawn. "A friend who was being seriously harassed by her husband and was referred to the party by the police very soon found herself giving it clothes and food in return," said a Greek teacher, who, citing the worsening environment enveloping the country, again spoke only on condition of anonymity. "She's a liberal and certainly no racist and is disgusted by what she has had to do."

The strategy, however, appears to be paying off. On the back of widespread anger over biting austerity measures that have also hit the poorest hardest, the popularity of the far-rightists has grown dramatically with polls indicating a surge in support for the party.

One survey last week showed a near doubling in the number of people voicing "positive opinions" about Golden Dawn, up from 12% in May to 22%. The popularity of Nikos Michaloliakos, the party's rabble-rousing leader had shot up by 8 points, much more than any other party leader.

Paschos Mandravelis, a prominent political analyst, attributed the rise in part to the symbiotic relationship between the police and Golden Dawn. "Greeks haven't turned extremist overnight. A lot of the party's backing comes from the police, young recruits who are a-political and know nothing about the Nazis or Hitler," he said. "For them, Golden Dawn supporters are their only allies on the frontline when there are clashes between riot police and leftists."

Riding the wave, the party has taken steps to set up branches among diaspora Greek communities abroad, opening an office in New York last week. Others are expected to open in Australia and Canada. Cadres say they are seeing particular momentum in support from women.

With Greeks becoming ever more radicalised, the conservative-led government has also clamped down on illegal immigration, detaining thousands in camps and increasing patrols along the country's land and sea frontier with Turkey.

But in an environment of ever increasing hate speech and mounting tensions, the party's heavy-handedness is also causing divisions. A threat by Golden Dawn to conduct raids against vendors attending an annual fair in the town of Arta this weekend has caused uproar.

"They say they have received complaints about immigrant vendors from shop owners here but that is simply untrue," said socialist mayor Yiannis Papalexis. "Extra police have been sent down from Athens and if they come they will be met by leftists who have said they will beat them up with clubs. I worry for the stability of my country."

Seated in her office beneath the Acropolis, Anna Diamantopoulou, a former EU commissioner, shakes her head in disbelief. Despair, she says, has brought Greece to a dangerous place.

"I never imagined that something like Golden Dawn would happen here, that Greeks could vote for such people," she sighed. "This policy they have of giving food only to the Greeks and blood only to the Greeks. The whole package is terrifying. This is a party based on hate of 'the other'. Now 'the other' is immigrants, but who will 'the other' be tomorrow?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/28/greek-police-victims-neo-nazi

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Sigh.... you do understand the the phrase "If Turkey gets attacked in the rear - will Greece help?" could also be read as "If a turkey gets sodomized would a lubicant help?".

7 (edited by The Yell 04-Oct-2012 17:19:45)

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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

jk of course we know the greek jokes

/me glances nervously around for Megisti

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8 (edited by The Yell 04-Oct-2012 18:03:30)

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how bulgar

I miss Megisti, last I heard he was injured fighting forest fires sad

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I like it, I just hope Syria keeps at it so Turkey kicks thier asses...

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i thought obama already solved the problems in syria

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

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yes he did its just racists causig trouble

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12 (edited by Justinian I 07-Oct-2012 04:39:15)

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I will cheer when Constantinople belongs to Greece again. I'm sorry, I'm nostalgic for the restoration of the Byzantine Empire.

In all seriousness, I think Turkey is seizing the opportunity to take the parts of Syria it has long contested. I also think we should give Assad the choice: Abandon Putin and Iran, or die.

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>> I will cheer when Constantinople belongs to Greece again. I'm sorry, I'm nostalgic for the restoration of the Byzantine Empire.

Don't forget the re-Christianization of Anatolia.

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The Turks are a bunch of f'ing hypocrites. Turkey's foreign policy's been off the wall the last decade, not sure what they're trying to accomplish, but they're rubbing shoulders with a lot of regional extremist groups. AKP has been funneling arms and jihadis/fighters into Syria for months now.

And now they play the role of the aggrieved party...

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Re: War Watch! Turkey authorizes military action against Syria!

I think it's a possibility the Rebels/Freedom Fighters (whatever you want to call them) 'Accidentally' shelled the Turks. Bring some big guns into the mix and take some heat off of themselves in the mean time. Works strategically?

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Its possible but its a huge risk as well. If it were the rebels chances are Turkey would be silent.

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The Turks stopped a Russian plane. Clear message.

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to bad Putin wasn't it and they shot it down. sad

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If it was rebels the Syrians woulda said so right off and bombed the shit out of the border area in the name of helping Turkey

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They can't afford to 'Bomb the shit' out of the border area because then they could kill more Turkish civilians and also get everyone else involved.

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I meant bomb their own border towns...gotta get those nasty Turk-killing rebels you know

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