Re: Outlaw particular political positions

Just checking the sonigram part.

Apparently you believe killing babies is worth dying for.

I will remember that.

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52 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 28-Sep-2012 18:09:37)

Re: Outlaw particular political positions

> Justinian I wrote:

> I'm not stumbling to produce an answer at all, and my arguments are flawless. The flaw is with your insistence that political ideas be justified with these mysterious normative truths.

The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must. Tired of the strong? Form a coalition and destroy them. That's my political philosophy.

My argument is forceful if enough people are willing to form a coalition and assert these liberties. If social conservatives won't reach a reasonable compromise, then their objectives must be accomplished with force. It's that simple.




So... you don't actually give a crap about if you're actually right on a universal basis?  So you're outright conceding that you are as bad as the social conservatives, and the only difference is that you're protecting your interest at the expense of social conservatives while social conservatives are protecting their interest at the expense of you?


So... can I just say you're both equally reprehensible and go home now?  At the point where your argument very clearly is not protecting any right which is universally valued as a priori, trying to remove rights which are considered a priori in order to protect the non a priori right, clearly recognizing that the interest in protecting that right is simply that it will benefit you... why should any of us buy into your philosophy?

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Re: Outlaw particular political positions

Oh and I am no Social Conservative. I would cut non-military aspects by at least 2/3rds if I could. Probably much more.

But I have no problem with showing a future citizen to the person carrying that life inside them.

Federalism would be nice, but to many Obama voters would never accept it, as well as Athiests such as yourself.

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^^hippie.

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55 (edited by V. Kemp 28-Sep-2012 21:46:58)

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"The flaw is with your insistence that political ideas be justified with these mysterious normative truths."

The idea of rights can be defined other than as mysterious normative truths. You've made it clear you have no interest in actually discussing the idea of rights, so it's awkward that you are, here, pretending to have actually made any argument against them. You haven't even addressed the way they're classically defined, let alone alternate definitions (based in pragmatism, maximizing worker motivation, justice, etc.) which could essentially provide people with these same freedoms by other justifications/rationales.

"The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must. Tired of the strong? Form a coalition and destroy them. That's my political philosophy."

That's like the political philosophy of a small child. You're proposing that mob rule is best. It's not stable, let alone anything else. You're arguing for authoritarians and fascists. The strong always achieve power, and they often move toward fascism in a desperate attempt to keep it. It's not stable. It's not just. And it sucks for 99.9% of members of such societies without strong culture, laws, and law enforcement limiting government power.

"My argument is forceful if enough people are willing to form a coalition and assert these liberties."

Until they achieve any power and force their "liberties" on others who see them as oppression. Take paying for trash's birth control, for instance. You demand it. Others demand not to be forced to pay for it.

How can your arguments be flawless? You've barely made any, and you've made none for your biggest claims in this thread.

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