guh... I think all the good old ones are gone

The quick idea is to first wait till you have approx 40-50 planets that are all pretty much full of population (70+ planets total?). Then build 20-30 lqs on all of them (thats right, overbuild em). Note: It takes 16 ticks for pop to double so basically, one population fills up about halfway on a planet, demolish a few cfs (do the math in your head, if a planet has 10k pop, you wanna build bout 30 lqs so it takes about 24-28 hours for the population to fill up and you wanna build these buildings once the planet has approximately 6k population so they are already built once your population reaches 10k). Never let the population stop flowing.

After you overbuild the first 20-30 lqs on each planet, and the pop is filling, you should demolish a few cfs [40-50] (dont demolish all at once) and build lqs. Then once that is filling, demolish 70-80 cfs and replace them with lqs. And so on until you replace all the cfs on the planets with lqs)

As you explore new planets, you can keep building cfs for a bit longer. Once you have about 70+ planets on which you have started replacing cfs with lqs, stop building cfs and start building tos on new planets. Soon after this, you should be able to make the final push and replace all your cfs with lqs (make sure you dont build lqs on freshly explored planets early in the round when 1000-2000 infra still makes a difference. TOs will pay more as each planet with tos will affect your ratio and give you more cash at this point).

Once your To planets are about to fill up with pop, OB them slowly with lqs (same way, 10-11 ticks before they fill up [depending on your research], build just enough LQs so the POP keeps flowing). Dont OB too much (70-80% MAXIMUM!!).

Basically, its all a matter of taste... Its kinda boring and requires a while to get a hang of it (and some experience) but thats bout how you should do it...

guhh... My strat is a fam bank strategy.

Dont like your method Arch for a number of reasons. Major one being that LQs just arent effective without the proper research bonus's and a decent TO ratio... Also, waiting for your population to fill up is a BITCH! Which is the major reason I dont build more LQs than would fill with population in a day (spending lots of recs for a payback thats too long). Instead slowly up your income. Higher resourse usage overall but considering you make more, its cheaper percentage wise.

You actually lose out if you kill all your CFs in one go. I mean, you can do a jump, but considering you are already near 50% OB, there is no point in jumping to 100% (maybe 200% but thats expensive). Especially expo phase, building slowly as a pop banker=more effective than jumps.

i actually did it the same way the round b4 u joined us, but u did point out to me the part about obing as soon as LQs came in.

killing all your cfs drops you to half built triq, so jumping to 100% is quite alot of lqs, as is 200%. it may be expensibve but it is easily manageable in the expo phase still provided u dont neglect your iron incomes. i tend to do the switch at 80 planets at full pop and like 20-25 expos ready to send, but didnt say that above cos not everyone gets that many planets quickly.

and dimpel, there is very little point in building LQs on brand new planets, even if it is using the high con bonus. with 10% pop growth they dont do anything for almost 4 days and thats just a waste:P better to build TOs for just this point to help pay back hte jump costs. from then on i do no of course let the popper build TOs at low obs lol

iv done it the last 3 rounds that i had a big pop banker and it seems to have worked pretty well. we didnt sit there saving for very long to do it, maybe overnight stuff + a little more or sumthing, and with ur pop at full at 50% with lqs, it doesnt take long for it to grow to full

Cause a cf banker with 500k infra will make 10 mil income while a pop banker will make 25-30 mil

The income increase is just too high to discount

Arch- Dimpel uses your strat (a variation) which is why Im ok with it (he has been a "big" banker at least 10+ rounds). I have used my strat around 7-8 rounds when ive been a big banker myself... So I tend to trust it. Again, as Ive said, there are many ways to achieve the same result. I favour the one I am familiar with (because the method I use requires no jump... Not even overnight savings... It just takes a little bit off the market each day and keeps me at a relatively high income)

instead of telling us about how great you are pp why dont you post a strat here

i wanted to see pp write about a strat only and not himself though

ahh well ill dream on

so is pop so much better?

More than the defence, a pop banker requires a SHITLOAD of time and a LOT of resourses before they can fully pay themselves off. I mean, the fact that they can make so much more than a cf banker is good and all, but you will see the first big pop bankers showing up weeks 3-4 of the round. While cfs give the early income lead. Also, its a question of food. Anyone who has played pop banker knows that if your food guy decides to go on a bit of a break, or if the market decides to go insane, you will starve a few ticks. CFs dont have that problem. Plus, often, food goes over .4 or .5 in the round. At that point, unless the banker has a good To ratio and science, you make more money selling the food on the market than giving it to the pop banker.

PP_ - I kndof said myself that Dimpel is good . Hell, he is probably one of the best bankers in the game.

Arch - I would have thought it was good anyways but having a banker I respect back it up always helps .

"back with 20man fams, you would have 2 pop bankers and the rest cf, with 15 and 12 man fams i wouldnt advise more than 1 pop banker."

Got to bust on u again arch. Back in the day there was only 1 fam doing this and it was because of me ( m00lar). When we had 18-20 players we used 2 pop bankers and 6 cf/to bankers+ 3 resource bankers. All other fams were using 4 pop bankers and 1 cf/resource bankers. The borg in mw were the 1st one other then us to start changing and they still used cf/resource banking and 3 pop bankers. In mw things are always a slow changg:(

When we became a target for the whole gal because they couldnt beat us with just them and their allies we went to 1 pop banker and 6-7 cf/to bankers with 2-3 resource bankers. We always had alot of people maken just pure income of gc or resources. I always hated when people insisted on going attacker and thinking 0-3 atacks per ic yr was called attacking. Bad use of a role big time. It was perfect when we had 2 main active attackers with 1-2 small attackers and some semi active guys to fill in the holes.

all joking and busting aside now, for u newer players listen to triq and evan arch because they been around long enough now and have had enough strats to read and enough time to experiance things to be good or real good now. I just read this forum 2x a month or so and always find it amusing people posting exactly or similiar things i was 6 yrs ago, especially arch:)

I like pop banking with partaxian just for kicks.  I do everything for kicks these days.  My favorite transition is a day strat and smooth population transition with high OB before I even think of LQ building.  Then a pop jump can be made without as drastic a shift in net so people don't realize you have pop till your mages are so high that it doesn't matter anymore.  No sense kicking out CFs all at once.  If they'd change reseach pop bonus to also effect pop growth, there wouldn't be as many problems doing a CF drop and taking advantage of net loss for extra bonus to pop gain.  Wouldn't that be totally awsome?