Re: Obama sucks on national security.

He got those four at the Syrian Embassy killed.

The proof is easy.

CNN obtained the journal of the ambassador from the consulate. He said weeks in advance (in the journal) that he was worried about the extremists there and feared for his life.

Libya says it was organized and premeditated.



But Obama is scared of that.


Why?


It was the Anniversary of 9-11. He let his guard down in a dangerous place, and they got killed on the day most terrorisrs want to do something big.


Killing an Ambassador is big.




That's why Obama and his administration tried desperately to make it sound like a mob got out of hand.



A mob does not know the safe house the staffers would flee to. A mob would not use mortars (plural) to strike at the safe house and cut off access with chokepoint defense which stymied reinforcements for over an hour.

Obama and his negligence allowed terrorists to score the first Ambassador in over four decades, and to sack an embassy.

The Ambassador knew it was unsafe, so he surely kept asking for more defense. He died because Obama did not care.



In fact it may be worse. Obama has not been President (it seems) for 6 months now. He has been on so many fundraisers, party's, golfing trips, and such.... to make you wonder how he is making any decisions regarding our nations defense, economy, or the likes.

Many on the right call him President Zero. Right now with Zero accountability, Zero Care, Zero Concern (except for his job), Zero Work, Zero Precautions... what a nothing.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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2 (edited by Genesis 24-Sep-2012 02:44:23)

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

I don't wanna rain on your parade, but this is the 6th thread made by you with Obama in the title on the front page of Politics alone. Obssession much?


Also you should have a look at this:

During 2 terms as President, Bush spent all or of part of 487 days at Camp David, on retreats and made 77 trips to his Crawford Ranch, in Texas, where he spent all or part of 490 days, on his Ranch.
The total number of days of vacation or retreat President Bush took, while in office over a period of 8 years was 977 days, or 32% of his total time in office, was spent on vacations or retreats.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_vacation_days_did_george_w_bush_take_while_president#ixzz27LaAAA7X

Basically he spent roughly 1000 days, or close to 3 years (out of 8 in office) on retreats. President Zero who?

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

In one year Obama has spent 66% away from office.

Yes he is the Zero.

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

Where are you getting those figures from? Fox News?

Come on man, you're starting to sound desperate and ridiculous.

And I say that with all due respect. tongue

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

This is also about National Security.

And Obama's failure.

Quit trolling off topic.


People died, respect it.

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

flintypoo he isnt really trolling.  he asked you to name the source about obamas trips when you mentioned obama was on many of them

plus, obama needs to go on many trips to keep his tan so people believe he's black

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

I think 9/11 happened on Bush' watch, does that mean it's his fault  too?

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8 (edited by Dirty Iluvatar 24-Sep-2012 08:40:58)

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

> Einstein wrote:

> People died, respect it.



Yeah, people dead, you should respect  it. Not try to use it to dump on Obama campain like all those other threads.
.
What do you want from him? Go to war on this? Not like you guys have the cash or the national support for it.

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

Yes Primo, and like flint said 9/11 happened on the day every terrorist wants to do something big tongue

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

Primo Bush had the origional 9-11 but Clinton had dropped several balls to get us there. Including destruction of some intelligence gathered and by placing sharp lines on intelligence sharing between agencies.

The first 9-11 caught us off guard.



Obama is supposed to be aware that on 9-11 anniversaries we are deeply at risk of new attacks.

He dropped the ball.

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

So when something bad happens during a Republican mandate, it's the Democrats fault. When something bad happens during a Democrat term, it's the Democrats fault too.

I think I can see your point.

12 (edited by Justinian I 24-Sep-2012 15:22:37)

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

Bush took away our civil liberties. He also needs to stand trial in Europe for his war crimes.

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY&feature=relmfu

Go watch that interview Flint, part1 as well, but part2 (linked) is most relevent to your statement

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

"I don't wanna rain on your parade, but this is the 6th thread made by you with Obama in the title on the front page of Politics alone. Obssession much?"

I tried 4 years ago to have ONE US elections thread and got voted down.

"During 2 terms as President, Bush spent all or of part of 487 days at Camp David, on retreats and made 77 trips to his Crawford Ranch, in Texas, where he spent all or part of 490 days, on his Ranch."

And did business.  Both Camp David and "the Western White House" were set up to function as nerve centers.  Camp David ALWAYS has been a working retreat.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

"So when something bad happens during a Republican mandate, it's the Democrats fault. When something bad happens during a Democrat term, it's the Democrats fault too."

If Clinton had asked to have the FBI wiretap and read mail to have the CIA assassinate foriegn imams overseas to stop illegal aliens from flying planes into skyscrapers he'd have been impeached again.  That's what it would have taken and we wouldn't have let him do it if he'd wanted to.  You can judge him by whether he even wanted to, but, he wouldn't have been allowed to.  Up to 2001, FBI + CIA = Watergate.

To stop the Libyan attack we needed a couple dozen riflemen in armored Humvees.

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

And Obama isn't working while on the campaign trail? Didn't Bush campaign for reelection too?

His arguments aren't serious Yell tongue

17 (edited by The Yell 24-Sep-2012 16:40:14)

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

Yeah Obama isn't working, he skips the daily intel briefing for one thing.

I mean for one example, he skips the daily intel briefing.

I'm sure there are many things for which he skips the daily intel briefing, not just one.
I mean I don't want you to think I think Obama is skipping the daily intel briefing to run upstairs and searchign teh sofa cushions for a cigarette and grinning when he finds it and smoking it on the balcony cause that's the one thing he'd skip a briefing for.

yeah

just wanted to clear that up

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

> Genesis wrote:

> So when something bad happens during a Republican mandate, it's the Democrats fault. When something bad happens during a Democrat term, it's the Democrats fault too.

I think I can see your point.



Yay overgeneralizations!


No, the principle is that a President is responsible for preventing activities which could be prevented during their time in office.  If a terrorist attack occurred 2 days after Obama came to office, it wouldn't be on him to have prevented the attack simply because he was sitting in the comfy chair.  The actual 9/11 attack occurred a year and a half into Bush's presidency, but the underlying planning phases were occurring years beforehand.  A number of underlying policies which could have undermined the attack (namely CIA counterterrorism policies) were removed under

The attacks on the embassies, in contrast, were very spontaneous.  The planning, intelligence gathering, preparation and execution phases almost undoubtedly occurred entirely under Obama.  That's the fundamental difference.

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

I'm sorry, are you trying to compare the highjacking of 4 civilian airplanes in american airports to perform attacks on your home ground to an attack in Libia?

I still don't understand you.

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

Ok let's kill Hillary then (this is a cruel joke to make him see the value of an Ambassador)

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Re: Obama sucks on national security.

1: The comparison was drawn by both you and Primo first.  I'm only answering/following through on your reasoning.
2: A US embassy... is not foreign soil.
3: The distinctions in terms of prevention go right out the door once you consider the OP information, that DC was tipped off on the issue long beforehand.  Once the US got word from its ambassador (the guy who's actually in the country in question) that there was a heightened attack risk, the US was fully capable of increasing security or taking other measures to defensively prepare the attack.

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22 (edited by The Yell 24-Sep-2012 18:18:14)

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

"he actual 9/11 attack occurred a year and a half into Bush's presidency, but the underlying planning phases were occurring years beforehand."

actually, 9 months.

I swear I'm gonna go to the library and try to find that cartoon book wtih the 1979 cartoon of the US embassy getting stormed, and the USSR embassy next door is spotless, and Uncle Sam is looking over the fence at a KGB guy in an overcoat, and the KGB guy says "Why not us? Ah, comrade, is because we do not tolerate such things."

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

The fact there was more planning for 9/11 also makes it easier to spot.

I mean, I could take a train to brussels in 10 minutes, i'd be at the US embassy in 45.
What can Obama do to stop me?

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Primo

24 (edited by The Yell 24-Sep-2012 18:24:02)

Re: Obama sucks on national security.

you're gonna find out

muhahaha

Like I said, 2 dozen guys in armored humvees waiting to converge on the shooters and shoot the crap out of them once they start shooting.  and some spotters with walkee talkees.  and a kiowa scout copter with a 20mm cannon in the air watching from 4km away.  wtf why not some B-1s overhead too.  and K-135s to refuel them.  And an airborne brigade fueled and loaded on the tarmac in Italy.

we paid for all that crap already

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.