Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

One of the world's leading ice experts has predicted the final collapse of Arctic sea ice in summer months within four years.

In what he calls a "global disaster" now unfolding in northern latitudes as the sea area that freezes and melts each year shrinks to its lowest extent ever recorded, Prof Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University calls for "urgent" consideration of new ideas to reduce global temperatures.

In an email to the Guardian he says: "Climate change is no longer something we can aim to do something about in a few decades' time, and that we must not only urgently reduce CO2 emissions but must urgently examine other ways of slowing global warming, such as the various geoengineering ideas that have been put forward."

These include reflecting the sun's rays back into space, making clouds whiter and seeding the ocean with minerals to absorb more CO2.

Wadhams has spent many years collecting ice thickness data from submarines passing below the arctic ocean. He predicted the imminent break-up of sea ice in summer months in 2007, when the previous lowest extent of 4.17 million square kilometres was set. This year, it has unexpectedly plunged a further 500,000 sq km to less than 3.5m sq km. "I have been predicting [the collapse of sea ice in summer months] for many years. The main cause is simply global warming: as the climate has warmed there has been less ice growth during the winter and more ice melt during the summer.

"At first this didn't [get] noticed; the summer ice limits slowly shrank back, at a rate which suggested that the ice would last another 50 years or so. But in the end the summer melt overtook the winter growth such that the entire ice sheet melts or breaks up during the summer months.

"This collapse, I predicted would occur in 2015-16 at which time the summer Arctic (August to September) would become ice-free. The final collapse towards that state is now happening and will probably be complete by those dates".

Wadhams says the implications are "terrible". "The positives are increased possibility of Arctic transport, increased access to Arctic offshore oil and gas resources. The main negative is an acceleration of global warming."

"As the sea ice retreats in summer the ocean warms up (to 7C in 2011) and this warms the seabed too. The continental shelves of the Arctic are composed of offshore permafrost, frozen sediment left over from the last ice age. As the water warms the permafrost melts and releases huge quantities of trapped methane, a very powerful greenhouse gas so this will give a big boost to global warming."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-collapse-sea-ice

Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

So... since carbon dioxide, according to global warming theory, stays in the atmosphere for long periods of time... we pretty much crossed the threshold, and now we never have to hear you complain about how future pollution will "cause global warming" again, since the disaster would be inevitable?

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Thank God the wood ship era of the British were not scared when they sought the NorthWest Passage after a huge melt.

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Frankly I was just thinking how complicated it will be to set up enough mirrors to reflect all of that sunlight

Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Frankly this is boring. Debunked, debunked twice, mocked, pointed at and laughed at, debunked a third time, became a do not touch topic, got forgotten by left that it was a bad topic, now to get spanked and sent to his room.

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That's the problem with you guys, always laughing and mocking the people who actually know what they're talking about.

Oh well, at least Obama isn't doctoring scientists' reports!

Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Oh, I'm just noting the policy contradiction in saying "the ice sheet collapse will occur momentarily" and in any way hoping that would advance any sort of global warming prevention agenda.  Once you say it's inevitable, there's not really a reason to prevent it anymore, because... well... it's over, so we might as well hurl CO2 into the atmosphere like there's no 5 years from now.  tongue

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

I know what you mean Zarf, but don't forget there's a South Pole too will ya... tongue

Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Oh no! Not the penguins! yikes

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Where else will we get our crappy IC lawyers?  big_smile

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http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003300/a003370/SeaIceMaxWdates320x240.mpg

Result of the 2nd debunking.

I am about to enter Canada. No time to do all the debunking.


http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=2050


A lil less than half way down there is a section on Artic. It all debunks you, in more ways than you thought possible.

Do enjoy following a money greedy fake scientist.

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Yeah, we know. The earth is about to freeze. Or heat up.

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hahahhahahhahahah @ Al Gore reference, as if anyone here is ignorant and gullible enough not to realize his film was a dishonest piece of garbage to the scientific community.

You're not a scientist. You know nothing of science or the wealth of studies done in the field. But don't let that stop you from talking like a scientist who knows anything of actual science (as opposed to repeating what you've been told like anyone cares): It's hilarious. Please give us more.

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Will be a good time for the Dutch construction sector which has been in a lull for a while now. Floods create jobs!

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

thats cuz of iceberg hunters not global warming.

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Flint none of your links debunk anything, the claims there have all been refuted a thousand times.

You might argue about the causes but the planet is warming.

Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Actually, Genesis, there are projects happening right now that basically cover huge parts of greenland in reflecting aluminum foil style carpet,

NEE NAW NEE NAW

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

If we determine there's a need to intentionally induce cooling to alter a warming trend, man-caused or otherwise, I'm pretty sure aluminum foil and algae farms will be a lot more successful than asking poor people to not develop and asking rich people to become poor.

Ask the Chinese what they think of man-caused global warming, and they'll offer to sell you solar and wind power made with no regard for the environment (taking you for a sucker) while they build dozens of coal power plants every week.

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

Selur Ku you are a liar and a piss poor of one.

The NASA imagery alone dispells something near two dozen of your so called scientists rants and claims.

The Sword Fish (and other submarines) shows the exact North Pole being chunks of ice, way before this 'warming'.

The English historical records shows severe melting during the rennasance (sp?), and Canadian records shows a military vessel of theirs navigated the Northwest Passage successfully before the so called heating.



You did not even look, and that just makes you pathetic.

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Irreversible climate change will push Earth back to the climate of the dinosaurs!!!!!

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

I propose the northern countries of Europe be repopulated with desert tribes more accustomed to a mediterranean climate

oh

nvm

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Re: Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years

> The Yell wrote:

> I propose the northern countries of Europe be repopulated with desert tribes more accustomed to a mediterranean climate

oh

nvm

Lol, screw you. tongue

We'll get rid of them one day, one way or the other.

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