Re: Time to dump US currency

QE3 was just announced.

It will be unlimited.

I just bough a thousand dollars of Australian Currency. I chide myself because I thought of looking at various currencies yesterday but thought Bernanke would be under to much pressure and would not do a QE again.

I know many had been. Buying aussie currency as a hedge though, so I made a quick call to my bank.

Wish I had ten thousand I could have put into it.


Now to call my boss and ask for an advance and my expenses and to get that in another currency asap.

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It's a sad day for America. While the stock market is up since the QE started, the economy is down. People are making less. Less people have jobs. This printing just makes everything more expensive for the average citizen; it doesn't benefit them in any way. It's robbery.

Diversifying out of the dollar while they print is a very good idea. On top of the QE, the fed prints money in other ways. Through several dozen steps they create money out of thin air for their banker owners even when it's not an announced and slightly less convoluted "quantitative easing."

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Yes it is open ended; they will buy bonds from now on until YOU PEOPLE restore the economy.

They don't print money btw

they order banks to give it to them. 

See in order for the FDIC to guarantee 100% of deposits it requires banks to keep a set % of deposits on hand as cash.  Like, maybe, 20%.  They work to calculate how much.  Too much, and the banks will lend 90% of the deposits and the taxpayer has to make that up if it goes sour.  Too few, and the economy slows down as credit dries up.

So what the Fed is doing, after figuring out what's safe and necessary for the bank to keep in the vault...they take it out of the vault, and give the bank an IOU.

It can only go wrong if all the banks fail at once or something, and that can only happen 1 in a 1000 years.  Well ok maybe 3x in a 100 years, as recently as 4 years ago. But what are the odds?

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4 (edited by Justinian I 13-Sep-2012 19:57:25)

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Obviously, Obama is trying to cause a short-term boost in the economy to improve his re-election campaign. Unfortunately, this proves that the Federal Reserve is no longer an independent agency.

Yell,

20% would be good. But the rate is more like 10%.

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'this proves that the Federal Reserve is no longer an independent agency.'

it never was... wake up.

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In case there are those who are ignorant

The stock market will shoot up. It will rise with every purchase, outpacing the purchases.

You might want to think that is a good thing... it is not.

This is instant inflation.

Shit I need to buy food before the prices change.

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i don't think it's a pro democrat move

i think he's decided 15% of the workforce can't be allowed to camp out on unemployment/disability instead of changing careers, so he's creating pressure to make solving unemployment a priority

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They inflate our currency either way, The Yell. It's not literally printing money, but it's printing money by any "they're creating dollars" definition. They just do it and get it to the banks with dozens of nonsensical steps, resulting in your confused explanation above. tongue

As Einstein said, the problem is inflation. The stock market rose a little in the short term...

But the stock market is not the economy. By inflating the money supply while there's a fixed amount of assets, prices on assets go up. That's why commodities continue to rise in price. That's why oil has more than doubled in price under Obama and continued to rise today. That's why food is skyrocketing.

Bernanke is doing everything he can to save his own job and cover his bosses' asses through the election. He knows the immediate benefits of his move, and he knows the massive cost in inflation will be delayed well beyond the election.

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actually the stock market == the economy,
when a company has stocks bought (banks mainly) and it loses its value, they have to book off those losses, dropping their profit, forcing to sack people and/or hold off on handing out loans, either way the companys who rely on the banks wil have to sack people else the profit of their own stockholders wont be high enuf. those sacked people wont be able to buy the products them companys make, they earn even less, profit goes down even more, stocks drop....

result crisis!

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This is tremendous.

China will look at this as an immeadiate trade war.

Mind you the official debt is 16 trillion. 10 months of this would erase 3% of that debt via this program. Toss in the other portions (the twist) and now we are talking serious money moving in ways China would not like. In less than a year we are trying to hose China and others with perhaps as high as a 10% loss on their investments.

They won't like that at all.

Worse it affects all trade partners. Suddenly our dollar is now in others views 90% of what it was.... worse is the lost confidence that we won't distort the market.

So I figure when all is said and done we might hit a drop as low as 85% in the value of the dollar.maybe not right away, but soon enough. Probably near febuary if they don't stop after the election.

Timed with the still depressed European and Japanese economies this is the wrong idea.

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Paininside....

Your wrong

Stocks are supposed to be about reflecting how the economy is. Black Friday happened because people realized the stocks did not reflect reality.

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stocks reflect what people who trade stocks thought they could get for selling stocks that day

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in other words speculation.

what i said stil stands, u just dont get what im saying einstein.

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14 (edited by V. Kemp 14-Sep-2012 00:44:42)

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Paininside, you are factually incorrect in pretty much everything you said regarding the stock market. The notion that the stock market is even remotely an indicator of the health of an entire economy is laughable. Essentially you're saying that, as long as those investing have significant capital invested, everybody is inherently doing peachy!

Yet investment of the stock market is independent of employment rates and wages. It says nothing of the average person, many of whom aren't invested at all but would like to have the money to be. It's a good thing when the markets are up, but it's certainly not an indicator of the health of an entire economy--_especially_ when government printing presses are inflating currency.

People often invest in these times to protect their wealth from the inflation of the dollar, not because they have tons of faith in the market or wealth to spare investing in it. Sometimes rises in the stock market are an indication of negative factors in the economy driving people to protect their wealth from their currency's devaluation.

The Yell is pretty much correct, but there are natural market levels, measures of valuation, market trends, local and world events, and innovation. If a stock is undervalued, it's bound to rise as people realize it's got a lot more profit (sometimes dividend) potential than it's currently priced for. A key to investing in stocks is doing your research and identifying companies positioned to rise significantly.

I don't mean to be rude, but it doesn't sound like you've ever traded on any market. I'm confused as to what you're basing all of these weird statements on.

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>.Paininside, you are factually incorrect in pretty much everything you said regarding the stock market. The notion that the stock market is even remotely an indicator of the health of an entire economy is laughable. Essentially you're saying that, as long as those investing have significant capital invested, everybody is inherently doing peachy!<

So? Short Petroleum futures and win, and then come back  tongue

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i love how hundreds of thousands of people make millions of transactions over a few hours, and within minutes, some asshat on a network tells me why they dumped Google.  It's because of jitters.  Somehow the movement of billions is never "the cold-blooded denouement of two years of intrigue".  No, they're jittery about Congress.

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lol @ shorting petroleum. Oh man. If only I had the time, I'd love to learn to day-trade oil.

I want to share with you a wise quote from the first seminar I ever attended on stocks/markets/trading/etc: "I love shorting. I make more money from shorting. People don't panic and buy; people panic and sell."

I just manage a few grand (;)) worth of stocks, occaaasionally some options, while I maintain my normal day job. I get significantly better returns than I'd get with a 401k, mutual fund(s), or otherwise letting someone else manage my money.

It's true that certain computerized systems can cause problems for people/organizations. As someone who only uses stop-loss orders, I really don't care. That's their freedom, their choice.

Nobody forces anyone to invest, nor to use any particular software. Regardless of errors and glitches, free markets correct for these things better than any authority ever cold. Free markets are still a huuuuuuge net gain for all. If errors are made by market employees, there's always lawsuits to rectify the situation. smile

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> Paininside wrote:

> 'this proves that the Federal Reserve is no longer an independent agency.'

it never was... wake up.



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If you think that's noteworthy commentary regarding the Federal Reserve, I suggest reading G. Edward Griffin: "The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve."

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Is that the book that I've been waiting 6 months for you to finish reading?  big_smile

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> Mister Spock wrote:

> Paininside, you are factually incorrect in pretty much everything you said regarding the stock market. The notion that the stock market is even remotely an indicator of the health of an entire economy is laughable. Essentially you're saying that, as long as those investing have significant capital invested, everybody is inherently doing peachy!

Yet investment of the stock market is independent of employment rates and wages. It says nothing of the average person, many of whom aren't invested at all but would like to have the money to be. It's a good thing when the markets are up, but it's certainly not an indicator of the health of an entire economy--_especially_ when government printing presses are inflating currency.

People often invest in these times to protect their wealth from the inflation of the dollar, not because they have tons of faith in the market or wealth to spare investing in it. Sometimes rises in the stock market are an indication of negative factors in the economy driving people to protect their wealth from their currency's devaluation.

The Yell is pretty much correct, but there are natural market levels, measures of valuation, market trends, local and world events, and innovation. If a stock is undervalued, it's bound to rise as people realize it's got a lot more profit (sometimes dividend) potential than it's currently priced for. A key to investing in stocks is doing your research and identifying companies positioned to rise significantly.

I don't mean to be rude, but it doesn't sound like you've ever traded on any market. I'm confused as to what you're basing all of these weird statements on.








While neither the economy or the stock market are clear indicators of one anothers health, they are both effected by the same market trends, wages, taxes, world events etc proir mentioned. If in a consumer economy (like the US)  consumers arent spending then people aren't investing.  I'm on my phone atm but will elaborate a bit later.. I love discusions of this nature ;l

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Always love a good mystery thriller tongue  In all seriousness though i'll put it on the list

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Sometimes the stock value of a closing company goes up due to a sudden find of value in the sell off.

Sometimes a company selling off assets will get a bump since this will increase their dividend for the year.

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I recently read "Capitalism: A Very Short Introduction" (it's an Oxford University Press series covering a large range of topics, mostly humanities subjects but a few science topics) which was published in 2004 or 2005 and in the final chapter it says something along the lines of "though we have seen a massive growth in the world economy over the last few years, a system built on debt will surely come to a catastrophic end soon".

Cassandra etc etc.

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Bernanke wants to burn 40 billion dollar a month.More than most countries yearly defence budgets.

The inmates are running the asylum