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Re: Highest paid teachers in the nation on strike

No one else posting on it, so might as well be me.

Chicago teachers, who earn on average $76,000 a year with full benefits are on strike, having turned down a 16% raise over 4 years. I guess $88,000 a year is not good enough for them.

Their pay, if not the highest, is definitely amongst the highest in the nation.

Several news sources say it is the highest.

Gotta love them money grubbing Unions...

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2 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 12-Sep-2012 18:52:54)

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Well, I agree with paying teachers salaries that high, so we can attract better talent. So the pay isn't what disturbs me. What disturbs me is that they are unionized and have pensions.

All public pensions must be terminated immediately, except for those given to former police, fire and military.

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3 Reply by Bacchus (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 12-Sep-2012 18:59:57)

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Re: Highest paid teachers in the nation on strike

thats not what theyre striking about, tell whole story. The new contract stipulates teachers are able to get firef over the no child left behind standardized testing. if kids do bad because their parents dont do their job at home, let them run rampant in turn the administration can fire that teacher for kids poor grades. They tried this on one school, fired all the teachers, hired new, fired that flux of teachers and finally closed the school down.

I wouldn't sign a contract if my company is able to fire me not because im able to put steel up but that the iron workers are too loadef to bolt the [blam] thing in.

Its not always about the pay thats the issue in these contracts,

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Re: Highest paid teachers in the nation on strike

The State gets to set their own standards...

That's all the Fed asks.

You can set a standard of 99% will fail and/or drop out and 1% will get a C average.

Then the Fed asks you to try for a C+ average to get funding.

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Re: Highest paid teachers in the nation on strike

if Feds can't set standards then Feds should refuse to invest

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6 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 13-Sep-2012 00:57:23)

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Bacchus,

Fair enough, my bad. That's nothing new though, the teacher's unions have always resisted measures to base the employment of teachers on merit. To the credit of teachers, they are restrained from teaching effectively because parents too often make it impossible to enforce school rules intended to create an environment conducive to learning (no distracting clothing or devices). It's so bad that we need to force all students to wear uniforms and slap any parents who complain.

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Justinian I,

How much greater must salaries be than an area's mean/median incomes to qualify as significant enough to "attract better talent?"

In addition to their cushy benefits, they have a very consistent advancement structure based on years. Not only are they getting paid far more than average private workers, they have a path to dependably achieve even higher pay than that average regardless of performance.



Bacchus,

We don't know the specifics. These negotiations are all conducted behind closed-doors.

http://ideas.time.com/2012/09/10/chicago-teachers-strike-why-negotiations-must-be-open-to-the-public/
"according to one senior Chicago official with direct knowledge of the negotiations with the union reps,

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Re: Highest paid teachers in the nation on strike

meanwhile in the Mayor's office

Rahm Emmanuel:  You SON OF A BITCH! I made a clean deal!
The Devil:  AH HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: Highest paid teachers in the nation on strike

Kemp,

1. Meritocracy must replace seniority.
2. All pensions eliminated and benefits reduced.
3. Higher wages (~$75,000) base pay.
4. Higher educational requirements, such as a Master's degree.
5. Eliminate abusive parental influence in the politics of schools.
6. Enforce discipline and require school uniforms.

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10 Reply by V. Kemp (edited by V. Kemp 13-Sep-2012 19:42:42)

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I'm about 100% certain they're open to none of those suggestions except the big starting pay increase. tongue

They will never accept anything remotely resembling meritocracy, while your suggestions are predicated upon this being a driving force for improvements.

Meritocracy alone would vastly improve public schools, regardless of juggling waves vs benefits, education requirements, or telling bad parents "STOP VOTING YOU IGNORANT ****S!"

Bad parents and lack of discipline are cultural problems, and no changes to public schools, unions, or teacher evaluation can really combat them. As long as certain areas have voting majorities who don't care about their kids except that they be out of the house as much as possible, and as long as we encourage this by rewarding such welfare trash with more money per child, there's no school solution.

Public schools all over the country could be vastly improved in a lot of ways. Meritocracy would obviously be a key tool (which is why unions won't have it--too many of them are underperforming and don't care to improve). But too often we conflate the reasons we need these improvements with problems which are solely cultural. No school changes would significantly impact the performance of the crack babies of welfare moms who know nothing of work and a better life.

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