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http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story/Armed-bystander-stops-stabbing-outside-school/6zTYMpy8pUOeyrbElEBOTQ.cspx

Quick story: Woman drops son off at school, exhusband shows us, argues, stabs her.

Passerby with concealed weapon (and permit) draws on the scumbag and orders him to drop it. He does.

Jail for him, hospital for her, and applause for gun owner.

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Counterargument

http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-201_162-1485.html

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Trayvon brings it to 2-0 by my count

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Haha nice one Yell tongue, if that how u wanna count you should also include all the germans that were saved from the terrible jews in the 40s. You would be up to 20+ million!

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5 (edited by The Yell 31-Aug-2012 12:54:13)

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Actually...you know that nice speech at the end of Schindler's list? Where Schindler talks to the armed guards, and says "You guys can shoot all the Jews...or you can just go home and be human" and they all put down their guns and walk away?

That actually happened.

Except before the troops came, the Jews armed themselves with guns from the guardhouse.

Schindler was breaking up a Mexican standoff*.  But Spielberg doesn't believe in self-defense so he made it a "lions lay down with lambs" moment



















* btw a Mexican standoff is a term used by white pansies, all of us Westerners know the solution is to shoot your way out

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Well good to know your view on the whole holocaust issue then tongue

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what, that it could have been prevented by an absence of gun control?

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could have with an absence of guns big_smile

NEE NAW NEE NAW

Primo

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nah krauts went and invented flamethrowers

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10 (edited by dpenguins 31-Aug-2012 17:15:51)

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the holocaust is a myth that was invented by hollywood.  none of that actually happened

but on topic, nice save by the guy

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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/me is forced to kill Dpenguins now.

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this thread is now banned in most NATO countries

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I'm slowly starting to think dpenguins is a myth created in hollywood...

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Anecdotal evidence doesn't count.

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the sum of anecdote is data

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16 (edited by Justinian I 31-Aug-2012 19:48:31)

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A lot of anecdotes still don't count. What you need is representative data, produced by sound research. That is the only data that counts, so Flint is wasting his time finding examples of guns saving lives.

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Statistics do not require controlled studies.

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> Einstein wrote:

> Statistics do not require controlled studies.

I noticed that error. Fixed.

It still requires sound research, and your anecdotes don't count.

19 (edited by The Yell 31-Aug-2012 20:11:49)

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"A lot of anecdotes still don't count. What you need is representative data, produced by sound research. That is the only data that counts, so Flint is wasting his time finding examples of guns saving lives."

Totally wrong.

If I find a monkey, it is proof of the existence of monkeys.  If you wish to extrapolate the observed occurence to times and places unobserved, then you have to worry about "representative data" to make a GUESS meaningful.
ALL observations, however, are fact.

So if I see a monkey at my work, and a monkey at my school, then that is fact, it is evidence of the occurence of monkeys.  If I wish to claim there must have been monkeys on stage during the Gettysburg Address, unobserved, I need something more than anecdote.

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Anecdotes are part of statistics. A highlighted case from many to prove a point.

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21 (edited by Justinian I 31-Aug-2012 20:36:33)

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Yes, a male political researcher has collected data by approaching 100 women he considers attractive at a voting station. But because the researcher committed a statistical bias, his data is useless for drawing conclusions.

In the case of gun control, Flint is merely mining for examples that support his view. These examples are not necessarily typical. It could be that while civilian use of guns have occasionally saved lives, an unnecessary death results in the majority of such cases. I'm not saying it is true, but Flint is wasting everyone's time by producing thread after thread of such examples.

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No, it refutes the view that allowing ownership of guns NEVER helps and ONLY harms.
It forces a debate over how often it helps and how often there's harm.

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Well, yeah. But I don't think many Democrats are making the argument that it never helps.

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What? That's the basis of the restriction on permits.

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If allowing gun ownership always harmed, then there wouldn't be permits.