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Re: Liberal cities more dangerous than Conservative cities

A few years ago, the Bay Area Center For Voting Research listed the most conservative and most liberal cities in the United States. They did this by looking at how every American city with a population of at least 100,000 voted in the 2004 presidential election. Every vote for George W. Bush was counted as a "conservative" vote, and every vote for John F. Kerry counted as a "liberal" vote. Ballots cast for third party candidates were counted similarly, with votes for the Libertarian Party and Constitution Party nominees counting as "conservative" votes, and votes for the Green Party nominee, the Peace and Freedom Party nominee, and Ralph Nader counting as "liberal" votes.

Cities with more conservative votes than liberal votes are considered conservative cities, and cities with more liberal votes than conservative votes are considered liberal cities. Cities with the highest percentages of conservative votes were deemed the most conservative cities, and cities with the highest percentages of liberal votes were deemed the most liberal cities. Simple enough.

The 15 most conservative and 15 most liberal cities are listed below, along with their violent crime rates.

The 15 most liberal cities in the US:

- Detroit, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Gary, Indiana - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Berkeley, California - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Washington, DC - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Oakland, California - 16 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Inglewood, California - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Newark, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Cambridge, Massachusetts - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- San Francisco, California - 7 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Flint, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Cleveland, Ohio - 14 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Hartford, Connecticut - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Paterson, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Baltimore, Maryland - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- New Haven, Connecticut - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents

The national average is four violent crimes/1,000 residents. Every one of the 15 most liberal cities in the US has a higher violent crime rate than the national average. Twelve of the 15 have a violent crime rate that is at least double the national average. Two of them have a violent crime rate that is six times the national average.

The 15 most conservative cities in the US:

- Provo, Utah - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Lubbock, Texas - 9 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Abilene, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Hialeah, Florida - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Plano, Texas - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Colorado Springs, Colorado - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Gilbert, Arizona - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents

- Bakersfield, California - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Lafayette, Louisiana - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Orange, California - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents

- Escondido, California - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Allentown, Pennsylvania - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Mesa, Arizona - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Arlington, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Peoria, Arizona - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents

Again, let's note that the national average is four violent crimes per 1,000 residents. You'll notice that eight of the 15 most conservative cities have violent crime rates at or below the national average. Only two of the 15 have violent crime rates that are twice as high as the national average. The most dangerous conservative city (Lubbock, Texas) is safer than all but four of the liberal cities.

So there is a clear correlation here: Cities with a lot of violent crime tend to vote Democratic, while cities with relatively low levels of violent crime tend to vote Republican. But what is behind this discrepancy? Is it that conservative cities have tougher anti-crime laws than liberal cities, which work to deter violent criminals? Is it that conservatives are more likely to be armed than liberals, so cities full of conservative citizens act as a deterrent against violent crime?

Or is it simply that Democratic voters themselves are just more likely to commit violent crimes than Republican voters?



http://www.examiner.com/article/crime-rates-liberal-cities-shockingly-higher-than-conservative-cities



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Re: Liberal cities more dangerous than Conservative cities

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3 Reply by The Yell (edited by The Yell 15-Aug-2012 17:52:14)

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Orange is low because there's no curbside parking anywhere in that town, you gotta find a garage or go commit crimes in Tustin, Santa Ana or Anaheim

not that I go there to commit crimes

I guess double parking is a crime but it's kind of obvious

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that list would make a lil bit of sence, if u also included other information.

now its like saying an apple is round, so an apple is better then a banana.

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The man reads my mind wink


That's why this is the first in a series.

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So Pain, did you flee the OC to commit your crimes in more liberal zones?? /squints suspiciously

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what i would be intrested in though, is how the second amendment fits in this picture, ammount of arms per 1000 inhabitants, and the corelation between, education, life span, welfair and all that. issnt the liberal viewpoint in short 'no guns'? if so, how come the liberal citys have more crime? or issit they dont want guns cuz they think it brings the crime.

statistics r nice to have, but statistics can make up things there r not there. (if u leave certain information out) so Einstein feed me info! big_smile

You will find that a lot of Liberals own a gun and that many Conservatives do not. So perhaps the issue isn't Conservative vs Liberal or Republican vs Democrat, it is pro gun control and anti gun control. (do we have statistics on this?)

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8 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 15-Aug-2012 19:55:55)

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We don't have enough data to make any conclusions about voters for the democratic party and violent crime.  For example, Liberal cities could have higher crime rates because Liberals tend to promote generous welfare benefits and are more cosmopolitan, policies which would attract individuals with a propensity for violent crime.

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The Bay Area Center For Voting Research also said this in that study:

A number of important demographic factors determine whether cities vote for liberals or
conservatives, with race being the most important factor. Cities with predominantly large African
American populations ended up as the most liberal cities in America, while the cities with the
largest Caucasian populations wound up as the most conservative.

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Minneapolis runs right against that trend tho

although its' more of a stupid racist thing, their cops are stupid racists and they just assume blacks will commit crimes, so, whaddya gonna do

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Re: Liberal cities more dangerous than Conservative cities

Yell,

Minneapolis is only 63% white.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis#Demographics

Although, Minnesotans are unusual voters. There is a old saying that is paraphrased like this: "Minnesotans live conservatively and vote liberally."

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12 Reply by Paininside (edited by Paininside 15-Aug-2012 20:12:15)

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you just assumes that all cops are racists, its better then assuming all blacks commit crimes?

its a fact statisticly speaking that where i live colored commit more crimes if u look at the prison population.

one could argue that it doesnt mean whites commit less crimes, they just dont get caught. or that current legislation send colored people faster to prison.

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wow it really got less whitebread than 2000

but back when it was 99% white it still voted for Mondale

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>you just assumes that all cops are racists, its better then assuming all blacks commit crimes?<

No, I lived there for 3 years.  There was a square mile of black neighborhood 2 miles from city center that simply was not patrolled.  There were 15 year olds selling weed on the corner.  Cops weren't anywhere.  They figured it was a waste of time.   And I'm from Southern California so I know the difference.

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15 Reply by Paininside (edited by Paininside 15-Aug-2012 23:45:13)

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its called parenting or not able to do so, most criminal kids r poor their parents working their asses off and r never home to raise them, or the kids have no education or no chance of work at all even if they would have a degree,  or their parents r either in jail or hooked on drugs.

they dont have a proper role model, theirs plenty ways of fixing that.

ignoring it, aint one of those ways. shooting them might work, perhaps that explains the initial post =p

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nah but they could at least drive by and discourage a block party of prostitution and drugs

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i would argue that for the most part it is poverty based rather than race based.  people that give up and take government assistance and then breed usually have bastard kids who will do the same damn thing.  this lazyness and absence of things to do usually results in violence and theft and a goal to be the king of the ghetto

here in massachussets, quite possibly the most liberal state in the country, you are allowed to use your food stamps for alcohol and lottery tickets.  we aren't allowed to call them food stamps anymore actually because that name is offensive.  guess the political party of our governor and why he gets reelected?

Also, i've been practicing law in this state for a few years, i have very good friends that are both assistant district attorneys and defense attorneys and i've work as a court clerk in a state criminal court and saw the most awful exhibits of crimes you never want to see.

if you want to argue certain cities and states then im happy to discuss with you.

i've also lived in newark, new jersey when i was in college so i can tell you about the crime in that place too if you want

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Re: Liberal cities more dangerous than Conservative cities

So? They're poor/coloured/immigrant, so they vote Liberal and they commit crime. It's not the other way 'round.

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Actually, if we were looking for causality and not just correlation, it would be the other way around.

Do Japanese poor immigrants do so well because of their "conservative" values or because they're poor immigrants? Obviously their values: Work ethic, cooperation, and valuing of education.

Do poor black people do poorly by comparison with poor Japanese because they're black? You can't be serious.

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> Mister Spock wrote:

> Actually, if we were looking for causality and not just correlation, it would be the other way around.

Do Japanese poor immigrants do so well because of their "conservative" values or because they're poor immigrants? Obviously their values: Work ethic, cooperation, and valuing of education.

Do poor black people do poorly by comparison with poor Japanese because they're black? You can't be serious.

So they're hard workers, that's culture. Some cultures are better than others for moving up the socio-economic ladder. Those Japanese can still vote Liberal. Good work ethic and valueing education are not conservative values. Both sides of the political spectrum put worth in those values.

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> BiefstukFriet wrote:
Good work ethic and valueing education are not conservative values. Both sides of the political spectrum put worth in those values.<<

Not anymore.  Now either you admit that government builds the society where that matters, or you're an extremist right winger.

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Yet for a goverment to build society people still need to haul ass. That shiny new waste of money City Hall won't build itself.

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Re: Liberal cities more dangerous than Conservative cities

Government doesn't build society.

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> Mister Spock wrote:

> Government doesn't build society.


I was being hypothe.. hypa..-, it was just theorycraft.

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> BiefstukFriet wrote:

> > Mister Spock wrote:

> Government doesn't build society.


I was being hypothe.. hypa..-, it was just theorycraft.<<


Then you're a right wing tea party extremist kook, longing for the lights to go out , the power to fail, the roads to crumble, and the chance to establish a rubber plantation over the bulldozed ruins of caring communities.  You'd replace the swingsets with guardtowers and where children used to learn to read from retired volunteers, you'll have them braiding whips for the guards  !

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