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i would choose death rather than push the button if i have to give an honest answer
however, that is not really much of an ethical dilema. you probably should have thrown in some other circumstances like your family will be killed if you refuse to be a soldier
> The Yell wrote:
> I will blame all China for it
Americans' insatiable demand for cheap crap doesn't factor into your equation?
> dpenguins wrote:
> i would choose death rather than push the button if i have to give an honest answer
however, that is not really much of an ethical dilema. you probably should have thrown in some other circumstances like your family will be killed if you refuse to be a soldier
if your family would be killed if you didn't take the job, would you take it? If so, how much would you choose as your salary?
One note to everyone here: it's really easy to make these stances while at a computer at home. However, this type of question rarely actually reflects one's stance when actually faced with such a dilemma. Fear is pretty powerful.
> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:
> One note to everyone here: it's really easy to make these stances while at a computer at home. However, this type of question rarely actually reflects one's stance when actually faced with such a dilemma. Fear is pretty powerful. <<
This.
if you lived in an inner city and were at gun point before then you might have a better educated guess than those who were not
however, your point is well taken zarfycakes 
xeno- i think i might take the job but i wouldnt care about the salary because i would already be dead inside for having to choose between two evils
actually, i answered that too quick while drinking whiskey.. idk what i would do. that is "almost" like an atomic bomb situation ethical dilema
> dpenguins wrote:
> if you lived in an inner city and were at gun point before then you might have a better educated guess than those who were not
True... Lol
Wait... Zarfycakes? What the...
> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:
> Wait... Zarfycakes? What the...
lol
Alright, DP. Thanks for answering. Now, let's say the situation were slightly different. Instead of being in charge of actually pushing the button, you would be in charge of some innocuous occupation at the death camp, like answering phones or doing paperwork. You would never actually see any atrocities occurring, and would be able to maintain plausible deniablility that any such atrocities were going on. You could still write your salary for whatever you'd want. Your family would live in a nice house in town nearby; you could see them every evening. You could take vacations with your family. You estimate you could retire in 20 maybe 15 years.
If you didn't take the job, you would be killed, but instead of your family being killed, they'd simply be forced to do manual labor for the rest of their lives at some labor camp. Their basic needs would be met - food, water, bunks.... You know, a typical labor camp.
Would you take the job?
much better question
when the romans were coming to kill the israelites and they hid in caves then the jews would slit the throats of their loved ones and then themselves rather than being forced into slavery for the romans.
maybe if suicide got a better rap in the bible then i would opt for that option. maybe i would kill my family and let the nazis killl me
a slow and merciful death is better than a long dragged out painful one. ask the deer that get run down by dogs and then shot. well they outlawed that here but you get the point!
Personally, I liked Jesus Christ's approach better, but that's just my opinion.
he didn't die for the mortal lives of human beings though so that is pretty much off topic on your own thread!!
> dpenguins wrote:
> he didn't die for the mortal lives of human beings though so that is pretty much off topic on your own thread!!
What I mean is he started a movement that transformed the Roman Empire.
well i don't deny that but i'm not sure how that is on topic
i am a christian and i do believe in jesus and i could understand a reference to him in this thread but if you read the bible he kind of knew what he was getting into
there wasn't the same choice for him. it was live or be killed and save the souls of all mankind and be brought to heaven
> xeno syndicated wrote:
> Alright, DP. Thanks for answering. Now, let's say the situation were slightly different. Instead of being in charge of actually pushing the button, you would be in charge of some innocuous occupation at the death camp, like answering phones or doing paperwork. You would never actually see any atrocities occurring, and would be able to maintain plausible deniablility that any such atrocities were going on. You could still write your salary for whatever you'd want. Your family would live in a nice house in town nearby; you could see them every evening. You could take vacations with your family. You estimate you could retire in 20 maybe 15 years.
If you didn't take the job, you would be killed, but instead of your family being killed, they'd simply be forced to do manual labor for the rest of their lives at some labor camp. Their basic needs would be met - food, water, bunks.... You know, a typical labor camp.
Would you take the job?<<
No, as a Catholic I am trained to believe that everybody dies, but the best death is being a self-righteous jerk while somebody else goes to Hell for killing you.
Although I do enjoy paying taxes for drone strikes, so I guess its a POV thing
> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:
> One note to everyone here: it's really easy to make these stances while at a computer at home. However, this type of question rarely actually reflects one's stance when actually faced with such a dilemma. Fear is pretty powerful.<<<
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> xeno syndicated wrote:
> > The Yell wrote: I will blame all China for it
Americans' insatiable demand for cheap crap doesn't factor into your equation?<<
No, I dislike China and will gladly blame them
"well i don't deny that but i'm not sure how that is on topic"
If you don't get it, you don't get it.
> The Yell wrote:
No, I dislike China and will gladly blame them
I think at one point we have to recognise our collective complacency, culpability, and complicity. Yes, we should recognise that some are more complacent, complicit, or culpable than others, but, ultimately, each and every one of us in at least some small way by our activity supports the function of a system which perpetuates atrocity. Can we choose not to recognise this fact? Yes, we can. But if we choose to remain unawares and maintain our plausible deniability of our own culpability as members in chains of causality which result in atrocities, the tendency for our systems to effectually cause atrocity will continue.
> xeno syndicated wrote:
> Everybody's got a price, apparently. So what's yours? If Hitler were alive today and the Nazi regime were give you a choice to send you to the death camps either as a Nazi whose job it would be to push the button to activate gas chambers or as a prisoner to be killed in one, which would you choose?
Say the Nazis were going to pay you a salary of x amount. How much would that amount have to be for you to accept the job rather than execution? 1000 / month? 2000? What if they were willing to pay 1 million / month? Would you still choose to be executed?
Keep in mind, you only have two choices: take the job for x amount or be executed yourself.
How much would it be to buy your soul?
Wow... Apparently i am the only person without a heart here... Because I like most Americans am in it for myself and not others..
I would have no problem pushing a button to kill people for what i get now an hour. As opposed to die for...
Realistically, someone is gonna do it...... You would loose your life just for principal as opposed to just pushing the button?
I truly think everyone who says... Id die.. Is full of it and would push the button.
"I truly think everyone who says... Id die.. Is full of it and would push the button."
I would tend to disagree.
If we knew what pushing the button actually did, I think we would refuse to push it. Unfortunately, and this is the ultimate point here, nobody knows what pushing the button actually does. Sometimes some of us suspect that it does something heinous, and even get evidence of the fact, but no matter how much evidence we are presented with, enough of us choose to claim we still don't know for sure due to lack of evidence, and so there are always going to be some of us who will be willing to just keep pushing the button.
> xeno syndicated wrote:
> "I truly think everyone who says... Id die.. Is full of it and would push the button."
I would tend to disagree.
If we knew what pushing the button actually did, I think we would refuse to push it. Unfortunately, and this is the ultimate point here, nobody knows what pushing the button actually does. Sometimes some of us suspect that it does something heinous, and even get evidence of the fact, but no matter how much evidence we are presented with, enough of us choose to claim we still don't know for sure due to lack of evidence, and so there are always going to be some of us who will be willing to just keep pushing the button.
You would make yourself think you where doing the correct thing. I could see someone like Chris pushing the button to live..But then down the road kill himself for doing such an atrocity.
You have to figure in Fear and maybe hatred... It would depend on your location and what year this was...... Say during the death camps.. Some might agree with Hitler.. obviously someone did he was in power........
So they wouldn't have a problem exterminating a bad race.
Thats like going to middle east now
threatened to " push this button now to kill all the Taliban, Or die!"
and then magically 50 years later the world finds out USA was the terrorists and it wasn't the Taliban " Obviously hypothetically."
There is always that option also on personal opinion on who is in the tank to die.
" who is in the tank to die."
Well, in our case, it is the millions who needlessly die every year.
well if they'd accept American government, and our management...
oh
well
never mind then!
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