... and with 2 or 3 tutors, and with real wars etc. Though maybe we should lower the p-mode limit for this (losing 20% of your planets puts you in p-mode), and make sure it's big enough to keep colonizing all round so new players can join at any time and still have something to do

I like it. But yes, not PW.

Virgo isn't big enough

we need a..

3-4-5-6 month gal

with war possibilities

> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> We need a neverending galaxy!

we had that

virgo

nah the neverending galaxy idea would work counterproductive, just like virgo did, as the tutors cant teach by example. Should be a semi-regular, soft-core (term property of the Zarf Beeblebrix' Headcase company) galaxy, with real (yet tuned-down) wars and a ranking

Edit : and it doesnt matter what the galaxy is named, as long as it's exclusive (no other galaxies at same time) and purely intended for tutoring purposes

the tutors are exceptions, they get drafted by mods and kicked if they dont do their job right I'm mostly talking bout the rest of the players, so as to avoid that experienced players abuse the tutoring galaxy as another stomping ground, as PW is atm.

tutor's could be a multi, might be easier to show people stuff and control the galaxy

*charges TCO a nickel for use of the copywritten "softcore round" term*

Point being it will end up like Virgo if,

1) You dont have the players for others to play against = boring. Especially if youre stuck there a whole round "learning".

2) Wthout a substantial player base in a galaxy it makes it hard to teach players specifics. Example being P1 wants to learn to attack, hes up against P2, P3 amd P4 and possibly a tutor or two. P2 is crap at attacking and no real challenge. P3 gets bored and goes inactive. P4 would rather play a type of SS strat because theyre a stubborn learner. The tutors from other fams wont just bend over to allow this new player to win etc. (Due to egos whatnot).

3) Using other players to guide just how well you are going has always been the easiest way. Putting them in a "slower" starting galaxy takes that away from them. "Yay Im first on the leaderboards for this n00b galaxy", Throw them in the "real" galaxies and watch them get owned, disheartened, whatever.

Few cons towards the idea. Id prefer to have some sort of tutor tag in family and throw them in the deep end, sink or swim mentality. We dont need new ppl playing if their heart is only half/third/barely in it.

(Quickly posted, busy at work, so hopefully it makes enough sense )

Hostility from the community wont change IMO. You either grow thick skin and learn deal with it/dish it back out/fit in or leave. It is the internet afterall, if you cant cop a little flack, maybe sunlight is a better option for you.

Last round in MW I randomed into a family that was ranked 22nd when I joined. We had 2 active semi SS bankers. An attacker had just joined a few days before me. We had the basis for a small team. We worked together well. Fun was created through each other learning from our little turtle in a core and thoroughly check cores for the big fams and either pursue NAPs or clear them strat. The fam had no idea who I was till the last week of round. We climbed and hovered around 10th, did a little jump at the end and ended up I think 6th in NW. Point being, we had a handful of "big" name players random in, see where they landed and deleted practically straight away. Once we set up our little team, we had the basics to work with and adding more players to it was simple. In the end we had 7 or 8 players post that they were going to stay together for the following round. I think onus is on the leaders to get things moving in the right direction and it only takes a few ppl to stick with that for a happy enjoyful round.

Maybe your idea would work somewhat but I think it does need a few changes. Possibly opening the galaxy up to the whole player base, but disabling deletes and making it similiar to HC where you cant get killed off and random back in. Where you land is where you need to work out how to play with that fam. On top of all that, possibly getting a Leaders Draft happening and placing 1 leader in each family that has a decent record of running families. Idk, lots you can do I guess, I just think some things need refining...

Youre putting words in my mouth... and completely missing my point.

+ as always, you create your own fun. Small fam or big fams. Enjoyment should be the first step of new player retention. Instead of singling out newer players, I feel alternate methods would be more successful and help general competition amongst the galaxies.