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Topic: Post-modernists are evil

Post-modernists assert that there is no truth, and any assertion for a truth is a power play or attempt to dominate another culture. It is a highly prevalent position, infesting the academia and public life in areas related to English, History, Political Science, and Art. Post-modernism is first of all false, and also it is a power play for those who use it.

The theory is wrong because it is a self-contradiction. If there is no truth, then lets ask is this true? If you say yes it is true that there is no truth, then at least something is true and you have disproved it. This argument is an overriding argument used by many prominent intellectuals, and derives from Plato's dialogues against the Sophists. There are other arguments that disprove post-modernism, but this argument is more than sufficient.

My second point is that post-modernism is itself a power play. Truth is not a power play, but the agent speaking it may be motivated by power like a politician using a truth to play on people's fears. Likewise, falsehood can also be motivated by power with lies or half-truths. In the case of post-modernists, this is the case. Their very belief system is a power play because they assert that all claims of truth are power plays. In doing so, they are giving a claim of truth, and by their own logic it is a power-play they're pulling off. In fact, every post-modernist I met was doing that exact same thing, often by trying to give themselves immunity from criticism and enabling them to push their positions through.

And there's my rant against post-modernism. They are the scum of the earth.

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1+1 = 2 <--- True.

Post-Modernism falls to the awesome power of Pre-school Mathematics.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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1 + 1 = 3.

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Evil is a big word. 'Stupid' would be more fitting.

Je maintiendrai

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DPS,

Correct!

ARF,

Wrong!

Bief,

No I think they are evil. I met many who were very intelligent with Ph.Ds. They are a breed of people who desire only power, and are masters at sophistry.

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You're no one to disagree with Orwell Justy.

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Yeah well his world didn't exactly come to fruition in 1984 or even today for that matter. What does that say about him?

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Same could be said about Asimov.

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Or whoever wrote the bible.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

10 (edited by avogadro 16-Jun-2008 02:36:41)

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"
The theory is wrong because it is a self-contradiction. If there is no truth, then lets ask is this true? If you say yes it is true that there is no truth, then at least something is true and you have disproved it. This argument is an overriding argument used by many prominent intellectuals, and derives from Plato's dialogues against the Sophists. There are other arguments that disprove post-modernism, but this argument is more than sufficient.

My second point is that post-modernism is itself a power play. Truth is not a power play, but the agent speaking it may be motivated by power like a politician using a truth to play on people's fears. Likewise, falsehood can also be motivated by power with lies or half-truths. In the case of post-modernists, this is the case. Their very belief system is a power play because they assert that all claims of truth are power plays. In doing so, they are giving a claim of truth, and by their own logic it is a power-play they're pulling off. In fact, every post-modernist I met was doing that exact same thing, often by trying to give themselves immunity from criticism and enabling them to push their positions through.

And there's my rant against post-modernism. They are the scum of the earth."

you just hate what you dont understand. there is no self-contradiction. my understanding is that it does not say there is no truth, but that truth is subjective. if truth is subjective then truth is only subjective to some and is definite to others.

and saying every post-modernist you've met, doesnt mean shit.

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A large sample still means something.

And to assert that truth is subjective is still equivalent to asserting that there is no truth. If truth is subjective, then truth is not objective. If truth is not objective, then that is still a self-contradiction.

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"to assert that truth is subjective is still equivalent to asserting that there is no truth"

what line of reasoning leads you to that conclusion?

"If truth is subjective, then truth is not objective. If truth is not objective, then that is still a self-contradiction."

if truth is subjective then truth is objective and subjective.

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the problem is not so much rejecting objective truth as a whole, but rather to expunge it from the political/ethical/... arena

you should be quite fond of it since your statements in the past indicate that you consider what is moral to be that which is efficient

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you only think that's what they're talking about

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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which is my view of post-modernism... thanks yell...

IA: truth is only truth for those who use the words that make it truth.

1+1 = 2 only where you use "1" or "2" or for that matter "+" or "="

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"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"

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You've been smoking too much mung you_fool!

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actually its possible i am just having a Dada day...

so fish to you!

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"

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"There is no right or wrong..."


And yet we all so clearly recognize when we've been wronged... a fascinating little tid bit :-p

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ahh, but there is right and wrong, its just that there is nothing to say that my right and wrong have to be the same, or even related, to your right and wrong.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"

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People like you are evil. o_O

"In a world of global deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

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...in your opinion tongue

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