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Shhh Norbit, Onion is very fun big_smile

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If all your rules was to become, there would be like 4 players left in the game tongue

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TCO sucks

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29 (edited by TCO511 16-Jul-2012 12:55:41)

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> Dukey wrote:

> If all your rules was to become, there would be like 4 players left in the game tongue


This is not about 'my rules'. This is about a rule, as posted by a mod, which was used to block a player. As also stated before, this thread has no intention to discuss said block in any way. All i did was take the rule as posted and considered its ramifications. Your conclusion, however, is spot on.


> Undeath wrote:

> TCO sucks

I am, kind sir, deeply impressed by the depth and wit in your repartee. It definitely shakes the very foundation of my argument, and puts into question both my ability for logical thought and my literary skill. I am deeply humbled.

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Well, the wording was not the best, it's not our mother language we can make some mistakes.
And it was in a discussion, not in an announcement.
Maybe he should have said "anyone who performs an action WITH THE ONLY GOAL to ruin the EFFORTS of their family will be blocked"

Mods can't anticipate all cases and make a constrained list of forbidden actions.
We must be able to make an interpretation of the existing rules, even using the spirit of a rule, to punish actions that have the only goal to abuse a rule, abusing a function, without having to announce a new rule each time someone invents a dirty move.

-Drafting into a family with THE ONLY GOAL to destroy this family should be punished without having to make a new rule.
-Marking his full fam Rogue with THE ONLY GOAL to take all their planets should be punished without having to make a new rule.
-Taking someone else identity with THE ONLY GOAL to take an advantage with the player you are talking to should be punished without having to make a new rule.
-Doing an op that has no chance to pass, 2 minutes after randoming a fam with THE ONLY GOAL to remove the 35% limit protection should be punished without having to make a new rule.

And there should be no circumstances we accept that, revenges are done on the battlefield, not abusing a function with no care for the efforts players in these families put into the round.

We will never block a player because he hit a laser trap, went inactive, didn't send aid for a war or made a mistake. That is intellectually dishonest to say such things, and not helping mod work which is to serve the community and protect it against such actions that could have happened to any of you!

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trollop; stfu.

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32 (edited by Lee 16-Jul-2012 14:34:01)

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> kollop wrote:

> -Drafting into a family with THE ONLY GOAL to destroy this family should be punished without having to make a new rule.


u my freind are a grade A idiot!

did i draft in? No..i randomed in for the 2nd time, 1st time he killed me off, and seein how he kept rouge'in ppl to avoid a war i felt it right to do that which he tried so hard to prevent the 2nd time i joined. i was unlucky to land there the 1st time, and again a 2nd time, you making it sound like my only goal was to join that fam and break the 35% rule, that is pure Bullshit and speculation, it was only after i landed in the 2nd time i felt obliged to do what i did, not pre-hand

omg get ur fats right

this is what i mean they interpret and implent what they want when they want, u my freind are a joke and he blatently admits it.

YOU SHOULD BE FIRED.

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and

We must be able to make an interpretation of the existing rules, even using the spirit of a rule, to punish actions that have the only goal to abuse a rule, abusing a function, without having to announce a new rule each time someone invents a dirty move

LOL'd

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i think that rule should be revoked for the simple reason that its too ambiguous to actually operate under any fairness at all, and is too easy to be used and abused. if the game really needs a rule like that, then make one but with set guidelines not a huge grey area open for interpretation. a rule is a rule not a 'lets see where this one will take us today' idea ...

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1) even with the new wording, many of the cases i presented COULD be interpreted to fall into this category. The ones you present are clear examples, the ones i present are more or less in a gray area, and thus totally up to the disgression of individual mods to rule as they see fit. My main concern is that rules which are meant to protect players can easily be turned into a tool for random terror if they are not clear in scope and wording, and based on verifiable proof of ill intentions. Actually, issuing blocks based on circumstantial evidence could even be considered to fall within the existing rule of "Abusing ingame functions denying other players the possibility of gameplay (is a serious offense and will result in an official warning and subsequent block of the offending empire)."

2) That said, as i allready pointed out, the rules allow you to block for any perceived abuse, and if necessary make up new rules as you go. The Terms of Service also allow you to terminate any account without explanation. I never said mods abused their powers, i've actually allready argued that you were well within your authority.

3) Since we poked the bees' nest anyways, in this particular case i find it quite disturbing that a player whose efforts were ruined by his leader through an action that falls DIRECTLY under the rule of "Abusing ingame functions denying other players the possibility of gameplay is a serious offense and will result in an official warning and subsequent block of the offending empire." gets blocked as a result of an interpretation of the spirit of that rule, while aforementioned leader is still playing while having violated the letter of the same rule. This will be the only time i refer to the actual block itself, and then only because of the strong impression of favoritism it conveys, once again with the intention of showing that it mostly comes down to the narrow scope of investigation and simple interpretation of circumstantial evidence by individual mods.


On a sidenote : Yes Kollop, I KNOW you guys mean well, and try to do the best you can. All I want to stress with all this is that mods should be very careful in issuing blocks, do FULL investigations into the matter INCLUDING the precedents which led up to the offense, and should better err on the side of caution by issuing one less block than to block in a way that could further alienate mods from the player base.

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Well Lee the only thing you have proven is that Baratheon took the good decision to rogue you and kill, since as soon u randomned again this fam you did exactly what he tried to prevent the first time...
And as I said revenges are done on the battlefield not using a function with the only goal to destroy a full family.
Jails are full of ppl that have good reasons (according to themselves) to do what they did!

35% protection as been given by previous mods after Community asked for years for this protection. Abusing a function to remove it is going against Community wishes, and it looks like you don't care at all, that won't surprise anyone tbh

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37 (edited by Lee 16-Jul-2012 15:24:08)

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your just making it worse for urself

you should just shutup now whilst ur ahead.

what ur saying is u justify 1 player rogue'in another for no reason, to bend the rules and stop a war. haha u my freind are epiccc fail

keep on interpreting the rules to how u see fit, no one cares what u have to say.

> kollop wrote:

> And as I said revenges are done on the battlefield not using a function with the only goal to destroy a full family.

hahahah his family was full? lol its him and like 2 other guys, he rogued everyone else and killed them unless they do what he says when he says.

and what function did i use? oh u mean the random into mw function. there was no other function used.

you basically approving the badness he brings

omg get a grip son

Kollop wrote:

> Well Lee the only thing you have proven is that Baratheon took the good decision to rogue you and kill, since as soon u randomned again this fam you did exactly what he tried to prevent the first time...

lold again u never cease to amaze me.

what he was doing was illegal in its own right.

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> Kollop wrote:

> Well Lee the only thing you have proven is that Baratheon took the good decision to rogue you and kill, since as soon u randomned again this fam you did exactly what he tried to prevent the first time...

yikes
cause and effect ... youre doing it wrong? Sorry Kollop, but this is exactly why i made this thread. Baratheon IS the reason that rule exists in the first place, he violates it, and then gets justified coz of the result of his rulebreaking? And this should reinforce our trust in the impartiality and fairness of the mods how exactly?

And let me point out that i couldnt give a dirty rodent's behind about Lee being blocked or not. God knows we've had our history. What I am trying to do falls into the category 'whatever you allow to befall your worst enemy, might one day be used against you too'. (not that Lee is my worst enemy either, but let's be friendly and say we're not each other's biggest fans).

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If you wish to discuss any blocks, pls do so personally with a mod.

Too many ppl reading between the lines. Sorry TCO, Thread closed: Discussing blocks

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