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Discuss the pros and cons of communism here. (For Kemp).

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it killed a lot of Reds, so, that's a plus

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That is the only positive there is.

Tens of millions of innocents died.

It has set back any nation that has tried it.

It required wars to prevent it from seizing new lands by forcd, and preperation for wars (it could feed off the economy of a captured land for a while before bringing them down to).

It slowed science and development.

And it has caused many, like Xeno, to lose their sanity in a bid to achieve it without knowing or understanding the tremendous downsides to it.

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Oh and food lines, lots of food lines. More commonly referred to as bread lines or soup lines.

And the dreadful clothes.

And the Russians still don't make a decent car....

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You're basically looking at one example of communism that went wrong.
There's plenty of capitalist countries in Africa that arent exactly flourishing.

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You cannot argue by double negative primo, just because something isnt working, that doesnt make anything else good. Besides the problems in africa isnt related to comunism or capitalism

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130 Million dead because of Communism including parts of all Communistic nations disagree Primo

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

Btw name those nations you infer to and I will debunk each being free market of any sort.

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8 Reply by [TI] Primo (edited by [TI] Primo 15-Jul-2012 09:09:11)

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my point, noir, is that you can't claim communism is bad because it didnt work in russia.

mind you that i am personally very much pro-capitalist. all i am trying to say is that what the USSR has shown is that a communist russia doesn't work, not that communism doesn't work.

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Those nations in Africa aren't capitalist; they're statist authoritarian states, [TI] Primo. Capitalist nations like Taiwan and South Korea have sky-rocketed their standards of living in the past half century from near the bottom to near the top.

Examples like Russia show the dangers of the authoritarian state communism requires. You can't restrict the crap out of people's freedom like that and leave them a way to walk it back. They inevitably will when they see the poverty and lost freedoms communism brings. You can't allow sheep to vote.

Other than this commentary on the exchange here, I have nothing to feed the troll. Anyone too stupid and uneducated to understand that freedom and a higher standard of living are good--and that capitalism inherently provides/allows for these whereas communism hinders them--is not my problem.

Every nation in the history of earth bears this out. Every academic study ever done confirms this. Common sense doesn't have any trouble understanding it, either. People don't want to be slaves. People like being free. It means a lot to us. If you disagree, you're probably not a person; you're a sheep.

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Vietnam, anyone?

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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Mind you guys, communism was never meant to start in Russia. It was meant to start in an already industrialised region with decent infrastructure and a talented, hardworking workforce. To be precise: Germany.

The USSR experiment was doomed to fail from the moment it began.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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> RisingDown wrote:

> Mind you guys, communism was never meant to start in Russia. It was meant to start in an already industrialised region with decent infrastructure and a talented, hardworking workforce. To be precise: Germany.

The USSR experiment was doomed to fail from the moment it began.

East Germany didn't fair much better.

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Vietnam drove 10% of its population into exile AFTER the war

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They also killed those who disagreed with Communism:

Teachers
Doctors
Business Owners
Christian Leaders

Check the Democide page.

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It was ridiculously ignorant of Marx to pretend that economic progress was an overly-simplistic cycle. This is one of the really stupid and naive things Marx wrote about which leave me with no respect for him as a thinker. He just wasn't that bright.

His ideas aren't brilliant for mankind. At best, they're a brilliant way for the elite to cement their control. In capitalistic (free) systems, ideas can compete, as can groups of people pooling their resources to market those ideas. If the USA wisely leaned far more Libertarian next year, Obama, Romney, and the rest of the corrupt crooks in DC would be out of power and out of the business of robbing us. If the peoples of the Soviet Union or China wisely leaned far more Libertarian one year, there'd have been no threat to those in power except that they'd have to order more executions that year.

Regarding his claims of cycles, which I've called naive, ignorant, and stupid: Next to nothing we make is eternal. Homes, cars, food, heating equipment, everything only lasts so long. The notion that capitalism creates wealth and then a civilization is "ready" for communism is just ridiculous. There's a reason most Cubans don't have cars and many that they do have are from the '50s. Capitalism didn't get them "ready" for communism, communism just resulted in them having less stuff and a lower standard of living. They could have had 500x more cars before they went commie, but they'd still have crap today.

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