76 (edited by Acolyte 13-Jul-2012 22:35:36)

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Except this isn't either one of those locations, and you don't sound like a bully, just immature. Why must V.Kemp refrain from posting in your threads, or even so much as speaking in your general direction? Wouldn't it be just as easy for /you/ to ignore /him/? Either way, you have no more right to suppress his speech -- whether by request or by force -- than he has to suppress yours.

Caution Wake Turbulence

Re: 'civil'ization

"This is unreasonable.  They slander my reputation with lies, false accusations, which effectually suppresses my free speech."

You'd have to prove it. Since you're wrong as a matter of fact on this issue, you're arguing that we should be able to sue you for our libelous statements regarding our statements. Since we can, in fact, prove this, your proposal has to be the most idiotic thing since... well, communism itself.

"They do so with the intent of stifling dialogue on issues at hand, with the intent of sabotaging healthy debate on issues they would rather not see debated...."

I've asked legitimate questions which you refuse to answer or respond to in any way. You similarly ignore all of my arguments. You're just condemning yourself.

"and do so with speech which verges on hate-speech.  And you, acolyte, are making it seem that I am the bully, here....  "

I wouldn't call you a bully, but I would call you a child-like person with serious psychological disorders. You are choosing not to engage in any sort of discussion or debate here. You are choosing to respond to nobody's arguments. You are choosing to accuse people of lying, without ever having responded to the content they've posted and without ever having corrected the supposed lies.

"Why does Kemp keep responding?  I have asked him not to respond in my threads; his participation stops the process of sincere debate (as evidenced by this very discussion)."

Because you're an embarrassment to the forum. My posts have 4 purposes:
1) To discourage you from continuing trolling this forum. You're obviously trolling. Nobody is this hypocritical and insane. I do so not by trolling, but simply by offering legitimate commentary on the content of your posts. Which leads to...
2) As an exercise in patience. Though you are obviously just trolling, many communists do offer such limited and ignorant arguments for their tyrannical and slavery-supporting ideologies. I'm practicing patience with my less-fortunate fellow human beings. I have responded to the content of your posts.
3) To show casual viewers that your insane, ignorant, ridiculous, and hypocritical reasoning is not the norm for this forum. I'd rather reasonable people stick around and converse than be scared away by your posts immediately leaving them with the strong impression that this forum is dominated by really weird, cocky 7-year-olds.
4) Conversation and debate. It's the purpose of the forum. And I achieve the above 3 purposes just by honestly discussing the content which you post.

My participation is in the form of sincere debate. In this very thread, I have stated my argument that you are wrong on the facts repeatedly. This was entirely commentary on content, ie discussion. You chose not to respond. In this very thread, I have asked a number of legitimate questions. I honestly wanted to clarification of your position on the matters. I honestly wanted to know your answer. You chose not to respond.

Forums don't exist in vacuums: If you choose not to respond to legitimate and honest arguments and questions, that shows what it shows. If you have a problem with that, maybe forums aren't for you.

"It is not only a slander / libel suit against Kemp, a harassment suite, and perhaps hate crime suit as well."

It's not slander because this isn't the medium for that. It's not libel because I've said nothing which is not true. It'd still not be libel if I'd said anything arguably not true because it's arguably just my opinion. It's not harassment because I'm just commenting on the content of your posts.

You made ridiculous statements about self-replicating robot technology capable of doing all labor for mankind, given to mankind by aliens. I just discussed this content. If it's insane and I pointed this out, it's not harassment, it's acknowledgement that you said something absolutely insane.

In this thread you made atrociously ignorant remarks regarding ownership of rental properties as if owners are inherently stealing, in a manner of speaking, from renters. You proposed that owners should not make profits on their property. I asked why, without the capitalistic (free market) profit incentive to buy/build/maintain/rent, anyone would build/buy/own/maintain rental properties.

This is a simple, legitimate question. You decried profit as undesirable and even immoral in this instance. I asked you how the system would function to provide for consumers (renters) without the motivation of profit.

And to this simple, legitimate, common-sense question, you replied:
"He's cross the line on more than one occasion, if this were a Speaker's Corner session in Hyde Park,  he'd have been arrested, or if a comedy club, escorted off premises by security."

Ohnoes. He asked a question which made me realize I didn't think my position through. I refuse to think about or discuss my position. I object to anyone suggesting I do! He should be ARRESTED!

Troll is troll.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

Re: 'civil'ization

"Wouldn't it be just as easy for /you/ to ignore /him/?"

Tried that.  He just kept harassing me.

Re: 'civil'ization

I'm not harassing you, I'm merely critiquing the content of your posts. Such discussion is the purpose of this forum. It sounds like you have irrational expectations.

I would similarly critique the posts of anyone advocating communism or ranting about self-replicating robot technology capable of doing 100% of work for mankind (given to man by aliens). It's not harassment. And it's certainly not a hate crime. *lol*

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

80 (edited by xeno syndicated 15-Jul-2012 21:47:49)

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> V.Kemp wrote:

> I'm not harassing you, I'm merely critiquing the content of your posts. Such discussion is the purpose of this forum. It sounds like you have irrational expectations.

I would similarly critique the posts of anyone advocating communism or ranting about self-replicating robot technology capable of doing 100% of work for mankind (given to man by aliens). It's not harassment. And it's certainly not a hate crime. *lol*

You are harassing and slandering me.  I have repeatedly described the type of society I am calling for as being more akin to Startrek's Federation rather than the Borg.  I have made this clear on more than one occasion.  You have repeatedly accused me of calling for a Borg-like society.  For what purpose you harass and slander me such I have yet to discover.  Perhaps such will only be discerned in a court of law...

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Your meaningless equivocation of what you call your behemoth government is not my problem. I'm just calling it what it is. Plenty of communists claim to be anarchists, because they describe "the people" just magically doing things when those organizations of "the people" are de-facto government, with all of the authority and oppression that comes with it.

I'm an adult. I'm not into word games. I don't redefine words and try to verbally dance on a forum like an idiot. If you're upset that I'm not a good partner, that's your problem: I don't want to dance with you.

"I have repeatedly described the type of society I am calling for...."

And every time I point out all of the many ways in which that society is 100% communist, you shut up and move it to a new thread. Not once have you ever corrected me on a single thing I've said paralleling your views directly with communism. Not once have you ever responded to a single one of my legitimate questions regarding more specifically how what you propose would work in place of free market mechanics.

No, claiming that owners should make 0 profit on their rental properties is not free market mechanics. Massive wealth redistribution is not free market mechanics. Repeatedly crying and saying you support free markets does not change the fact that you constantly argue against them.

[I wish I could obey forum rules]

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"claiming that owners should make 0 profit on their rental properties"

"that society is 100% communist"

More slander.

Stop misrepresenting my ideas.  Stop calling me and my ideas communist.  You are harassing, slandering, and ruining discussions.  Doing so detracts from discussions, ends up stopping them, which I believe is your intent.  You seek to destroy discussions, and violate free speech, hence why what you do is a hate crime.

Re: 'civil'ization

Right, this was a topic regarding something else, but has digressed (degressed? sp?) into a tit for tat on who is slandering who...I am closing this thread, and if you want to start it up again, please keep it on topic...(slander/libel/whatever, we just dont care...nor would any court system in any country in the world...)

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~