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Why is it allowed to perform offensive ops on small fams inside 35%NW rule???
I think it's a bug and it should be soonish fixed by devs.
It has caused some lately conflicts in MW thus its a headacke for mods right now
Guys fix it, its a main issue bcause affects to gameplay directly
But non-offensive ops like 'Vision' shouldn't be affected, right?
Mods made the mess themselves, but rule should be refined, it is too crude
We discussed it recently and didn't come to an agreement to change the rule:
It may be weird to protect small fams against fleet attacks and allow hard ops on them.
But small fams have a HUGE advantage, they can attack big fams whenever they want, when big fams can't!
That means that a good SS or 3-4 organized players can take shares with a big fam, portal, laser trap and suddenly attack when they have the good amount of saves (for a revenge, to shine few ticks or for fun).
If we remove ops against them, big fams will have no way to defend against small fams planning to attack them.
When you are in a race for the win you are very vulnerable and can't afford that a small fam razes 2-3 bankers before you can remove them.
Ops (destroy portal, DU, nukes to destroy lasers all over the empire, destroy cash, destroy iron) are the only way to prevent from huge damages this small fam could do.
Kollop you missed the lesson about BIG and small in the kindergarden
BIG is BIG, right?
small in the opposite, is small, right?
"small fams have a HUGE advantage, they can attack big fams whenever they want"
small is smaller than BIG, way smaller, right? so...look it this way:
"BIG fams have HUGE advantage, they can opp small fams whenever they want" --> so the small fam will never have a chance to become BIG
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"...suddenly attack when they have the good amount of saves" --> good amount of saves?? in a small fam?? are you serious??
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"If we remove ops against them, big fams will have no way to defend against small fams planning to attack them." --> so now BIG fams are suddenly worried to defend from small fams, its the world upside down
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"When you are in a race for the win you are very vulnerable and can't afford that a small fam razes 2-3 bankers before you can remove them." ---> So small fams arent allowed to raze bankers, they're only there to be farmed, like lambs waiting for the wolves, ... interesting
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"Ops (destroy portal, DU, nukes to destroy lasers all over the empire, destroy cash, destroy iron) are the only way to prevent from huge damages this small fam could do." ---> NAP the small fam is an option ... oh wait! noes, if you NAP small fams then, who do you farm??
serioulsy Kollop, you arent using 1/10 of your brain in that post, where's the rest of it?
I have already been in fams where we could not attack fam #5 because they were under 35% limit.
That means we could not attack 17/22 fams even if some of them had only 500 less plts than us.
Ingame you can only nap 10 fams...
And why would a fam u cant attack and can attack you would give you a nap?
And even if you have a nap ingame signed they can cancel it and still be under protection. U jump defenses for end of nap and pay upkeep forever? then fam 2 passes u...or cancels on u with bigger saves.
I remember a round where Genesis and Torqez where in a bottom fam with 2-3 other players. They were making 60m cash and 2m iron a tick, I let you do the calculation of on 3 days saves...
Even if you give 10m soldiers to all ur bankers as soon they took shares, players this level can raze all ur bankers while eating a banana left hand and scratching their balls right hand, even on a player using 100% his brain like you...
Why would they give a nap to a fam that cant attack them? Yes it's the small fam that gives the nap!
So if we follow your proposition, fam #5 that has only 500 plts less than you and bottom fam that makes nearly the same as you can take shares with you, portals, laser trap, save and attack you whenever they want, and you cannot do anything?
well if fam #5 is under 35% limit then there's no competition in the gal, thus a setup fail to allow the best be with the best, its a matter of setting up balanced gals and not changing protective rules.
"And why would a fam u cant attack and can attack you would give you a nap?" --> because they're 35% smaller and they dont want to be farmed in the future.
"And even if you have a nap ingame signed they can cancel it and still be under protection." --> try to design a solid core and dont portal bankers in shares with napped fams.
When do I have shares with smaller fams? when I have won a war or skirmish vs them and given a pNAP, problem solved, now you can claim that as your core.
What Gen and Torqez did was great to keep this game alive, showing that not always the big fish has the upper hand.
"So if we follow your proposition, fam #5 that has only 500 plts less than you and bottom fam that makes nearly the same as you can take shares with you, portals, laser trap, save and attack you whenever they want, and you cannot do anything?" ---> if you keep a good strat and diplo that will never happen, you can try to locate fat fams and set targets, and dont grow more than necessary keeping the option to clear them in ur core, but what you tell me is a clear case of big fams punished for being infrawhores. No matter you're on top, if you infrawhore and dont worry about this sort of things, then you'll be food for medium sized agressive fams.
and I'm not using 100% of my brain! its my 2nd whisky!
"And even if you have a nap ingame signed they can cancel it and still be under protection." --> try to design a solid core and dont portal bankers in shares with napped fams.
"So if we follow your proposition, fam #5 that has only 500 plts less than you and bottom fam that makes nearly the same as you can take shares with you, portals, laser trap, save and attack you whenever they want, and you cannot do anything?" ---> if you keep a good strat and diplo that will never happen, you can try to locate fat fams and set targets, and dont grow more than necessary keeping the option to clear them in ur core, but what you tell me is a clear case of big fams punished for being infrawhores. No matter you're on top, if you infrawhore and dont worry about this sort of things, then you'll be food for medium sized agressive fams.
if you're in a bigger fam, you're generally going to have better spread throughout the gal. that means you're going to have more shares with smaller fams. if you don't portal those shares, it results in longer travel times when taking planets off one of your attackers or when raiding a fam you want to war with. it also makes you more likely to get raided yourself. generally fams don't bother opping somebody smaller than 35% of their fam NW unless there is no good reason to. IC players haven't gotten that stupid or dishonourable yet.
agree with Magni there.
It happened in MW to my fam last round and i have since brought the matter up to the mods. This issue was when bara cancelled on my fam before my war with 88. he was under 35% of our family's nw and had amassed a ton of savings. In the end we jumped and he didnt, wasting a lot of our resources for the EOR war. This puts big fams at a disadvantage cos if Bara had jumped and my attackers not, my fam would have gotten hit bad.
"In the end we jumped and he didnt"
^ I would call that a great strategic move, not an abuse
Garbo was a spanish double agent in WW2 working for the UK, he was sending false and correct info to his German link in Madrid, he invented himself a big networth of spies all over the UK, imaginary people in his head but not for the german commanders. He was the real hero in the Normandy dissembarc, because he told the germans that was only a distracting manouver so the germans held their main troops north in Cale.
"and I'm not using 100% of my brain! its my 2nd whisky!"
u ever use your brain 100% 
? (sorry couldnt resist)
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