At close to 20 billion USD for the various Super Colliders and more for the scientist pay... I hardly call it a worthwhil event.

Meanwhile they have a high energy item which proves... nothing really. Does it actually create mass or is that a joke? They cannot say for certain just that it falls into some predicted pattern of energy strength when collided.

We cannot manipulate below atoms first levedls, we cannot break an electron and then rebuild it. This effort produces nothing that helps us at all.

I don't care what the CEV is, what the particles are, I care this venture has no application at all and is a waste of money.

Einstein is worried lol because if CEV is able to create mass then his God would lose a lot of power and be declared false God by the scientist, actually any known religion in the world is very worried about this discovery and will try desperatly to bring it down

yes a rational proof of eternal systematic order and structure in the universe instead of random happenstance is of course highly damaging to the notion of a loving benevolent omnipotent Creator.

Oh wait it isn't.

Satanists might be sweating though.

Haha, yes a boson, but very much likely a Higgs Boson. The real questions are:
Is it THE Higgs Boson or A Higgs Boson?
Is it the end of the Standard Model or the beginning of a new model?
Is it a fundamental scalar or a pseudo-scalar?

Yes, Einstein has insulted that name many times . Just because practical application hasn't been found yet, doesn't mean it won't. Another boson is the photon, a by-product of the electromagnetic field.

Einstein, the two ions and plasma you're talking about require an understanding of the electromagnetic field. We require electron microscopes, which use electromagnetic lenses, to work on carbon-nanotubes/buckyballs (graphene). Race-track memory is to do with computers .. which would not be around without the EM field. Everything you mentioned would not be possible without a deep understanding of the EM field...

So we've just confirmed the existence of the Higgs Boson, a by-product of the Higgs Field.... let's explore it.

As Rolf Heuer put it:
1.) Fundamental science drives innovation, that innovation drives applied science, that applied science drives innovation, that innovation drives practical application.
2.) Without fundamental science, there's no basis for applied science and so on.
3.) An analogy: You have a sack of corn. If you eat it all now, you die later. If you plant it all now, you die now. If you plant half of it now and eat the other half now, you survive now, and sustain yourself for later.

To use another analogy .. we were looking for a trunk to complete our Standard Model - which still has holes in it. Have we just found a trunk, or is there an elephant attached to it?

That's the only thing I want to know.

Sorry your anaologies are wrong.

We acceleraed particles and collided them to study the effects of such collisions.

A better analogy is we sped cars up to ram them to see if they might explode a certain way to prove they use oil. If we are a stone age culture doing this, with no tools to safely take a car apart (and probably put together to boot) then the action makes no real net gain.

Electromagnetics and magnetic theory is of deep interest to me and I am still contemplating whether I will seek it, high energy physics, or a study in new materials (graphene, the new silicon composites, etc.) will be my second desired doctorate.

Call me when you can remove a Bosun from an atom and add it to another.

I was not trying to explain the process required to generate a higgs boson through my analogies.... by definition analogies bares no literal reference to the things being explained through them .. so all analogies are wrong .

It's the higgs field that is of interest. We've just proven it exists by generating a by-product, the higgs boson.

Agreed with you on the interest in materials etc though .. my doctorate involves composites and honeycombs .

Yell, like an Atomic bomb can vapourise us to the atomic level, a Higgs bomb could vapourise us to the subatmoic level (messing around with our subatomic masses and all that jazz ) .. do you really care which you're vapourised to?

@Flint

150 years ago, it would have similarly been considered impractical to study matter at the atomic level, under the exact same argument (how can we use the knowledge of matter being made up of atoms?).  However, here you are today, using manipulation of matter at the atomic level as an example of practical science.  Nanotechnology would not be possible until people first knew that matter was made of protons, neutrons, and electrons, and how each particle opetated.  Nanotechnology was not even a concept until the 1950's.

So yes, as far as we know, there may not be a pract ical application.  However, our generation is only scratching the surface of the field.  Asking someone today to tell a practical technology application is sort of like telling a high school student about atoms, then asking him its practical application.  It isn't up to our generation to find practical application for higgs boson particles.  Our job is to find practical applications of the the theoretical sciebcea from last generation, and establish new groundwork for next generation.

Why are you responding like he's serious. He's trolling.

Einstein didn't just mention getting a doctorate. He mentioned getting TWO! hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha

Lasers were considered a "solution looking for a problem" when they were invented now look at them.

But you're right, we should definitely oppose all advances to knowledge unless they have an immediate, tangible benefit and can be weaponised or monitiesed.

> [TI] ARFeh zee Frenchie wrote:

> Lasers were considered a "solution looking for a problem" when they were invented now look at them.

But you're right, we should definitely oppose all advances to knowledge unless they have an immediate, tangible benefit and can be weaponised or monitiesed.<<

see this is the European kultur of science

"Let's have coffee in a comfy chair and think kafkaesque thoughts about subatomic particles"

PSHAW!  America seeks bombs and better mousetraps!  Maybe a fissile mousetrap! And creative financing!

Man has climbed everest! Split the atom! Fired rockets at the moon! Achieved miracles in every field of human endeavor-- EXCEPT CRIME!!!!

oh wait that's from Goldfinger nvm