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Re: The end of China manfacturing dominance?

You Eco majors will have fun with this one.

Due to a 20% COL increase for 3 straight years, higher shippping costs, and increased demand for high quality products, the company I work for Carlisle (CSL) is discontinuing operations at 1 of our 2 China plants. 90% of those products will be returning to our USA plant. The other China plant will now only make product for the asian market. What does this mean? This is a production increase from 18k parts per day, to over 36k. Hiring of new full-time employees, with decent wage and benefits, will help the town I work in tremendously.

Now, it's got me to thinking. With the increase in a chinese "middle class" and declining availability of natural resources, is China's manafacturing griplock on the world coming to an end? Obviously other asian nations are developing and becoming more dominant play makers in the manafacturing setor, but is it enough to offset any drops in chinese productivity?

Also, is this the turning point in the economy finally? With lower average hours worked per employee, a European increase in manafacturing could create a larger number of jobs than in other areas, such as the United States. I would only assume countries such as Greece or Spain, suffering budget shortfalls and on the verge of collapse from a shrinking private sector, would only benefit from measures put into place to entice private manafacturing to setup shop.

Thoughts?

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Re: The end of China manfacturing dominance?

Cheap versus quality, cheap will continue to grow in China.

They are having hiccups in technology issues with labor shortages (qualified labor).

Give them 8 years

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Re: The end of China manfacturing dominance?

I don't see China being anyless dominate at any time in the near future.  The rise in there middle class means they will have higher local demand for products so even though they might export less they are still manufacturing more.

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Victory, free market. America makes more quality products than China. Who'd'a'thunk'it? This guy.

Without our ballooned cost of living and subsequent labor costs, due to massive government taxation, fraud, and waste, we'd be doing even better.

Where it goes from here is up to us and the decisions we (voters) make. Between Republicrats and Democans, I don't expect much.

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Re: The end of China manfacturing dominance?

it's logical, from a business perspective the only thing that producing in china has going for it (I mean not producing for the local market, for a market an entirely different continent) is that it's been dirt cheap and easy with environmental norms. But even so there's been a constant flow of basic production plants starting out in china then after a few years moving to an even poorer country like Vietnam and such.

but chosing to produce your stuff from afar means you have significant transport costs and it takes a long time for bulk transport to reach the market back home. That's not for everyone either.

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Re: The end of China manfacturing dominance?

All good points. I belive a shift is coming still. The world will go back a more localized manufacturing base. Even if the lower cost of labor in the southern Asian countries, they do not have the massive population base that China did to support a huge boom. They lack the available space and availability of raw materials also. With Chinas production becoming more localized, they will consume the majority of raw materials in the eastern market, even more so than now. I do not forsee China to crumble overnight, but I do believe a massive increase in Euro and USA manufacutring to be entirely possible. That in itself, could help turn the global economy around, and at the very least, provide stability over chaos.

Unless of course Africa becomes the new manufacturing giant that Asia is currently.

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Only a half dozen African nations are stable enough to support that, and by far not enough population, ports, resources, training, etc. exists.

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Re: The end of China manfacturing dominance?

China has shown, if you built it, the people will come. If they were to industrialize west africa, the ports would be close. Also, africa has major natural resources. I think their only hindrence is they are all to power hungry and greedy to let such a market come to rise.

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I don't think they would be too greedy at all. However the Chinese growth figures are slowing down much more than expected lately (saw the Aussie dollar drop value because of it) so signs of more to come? Even if their manufactoring base crumbles (I doubt it would ever completely disappear) I could see a transition from a manufactoring economy to more of a service economy anyway.

As for the African topic, China already is trying to expand into Africa (and I believe the navy that they are producing is to protect the supply lines to Africa). Resource scaricty I don't think will be a problem, since they buy resources in bulk from other nations (Australia is one, and I believe that is why they are expanding into Africa).

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Bunch of impoverished people with a primarily service economy. Good jokes, Wornstrum!

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