Re: Companies should stay out of politics

Well I did some stock searches today.

Carbonite (CARB) is still plummeting
Wendys/Arbys is plummeting from May

Carbonite was the primary culprit in an effort to hurt Rush Limbaugh. The effort was supported by George Soros and his many organizations. The effort claimed hundreds of victories but actually numbered near a dozen.

Fallout was that Carbonite keeps losing stock value. If it is not in junk status I don't know why.


Wendys recently participated in an attack on the Susan G. Komen Foundation when they merely changed the rules requiring their funding not to goto middle agents but directly to those conducting breast exams.

Their stock value has fallen as hass their customer base.




Companies should stick to business. The CEO's of both companies should be fired, with cause, for their destruction of the value of their companies. It is one thing to donate to a cause, it is another to attack someone or something for political purposes.

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Re: Companies should stay out of politics

Agreed.  Corporate involvement in politics leads to corruption.

Interestingly enough News Corp's ties with the British Government is under intense scrutiny at the Leveson Inquiry: It has been revealed that Rupert Murdoch told Blair he was not to change his mind on the invasion of Iraq.

The corporation/media had an influence on foreign policy.  Quelle suprise...

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Re: Companies should stay out of politics

Does this mean that oil corps should not advocate drilling?

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4 (edited by V.Kemp 17-Jun-2012 22:06:13)

Re: Companies should stay out of politics

It's impossible to prevent corporate interests from advocating their views. Corporations are, after all, merely people--who have free speech--collaborating for profit. Attempts to curtail their free speech will just result in more corruption. Talking isn't so harmful. Conspiracies are a little more so.

I agree that companies should probably not take a stand against the horrible action of "not wanting to finance abortions." It's just not that evil.

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So... are we saying, then, that it's fine for companies to take a stand on political issues as long as those issues are part of what is in the interests of the company?  So... oil and non-oil energy companies should be able to take stands on energy issues, but not on gay marriage?  tongue

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Re: Companies should stay out of politics

I think the point is that, while companies will always advocate on behalf of their own interests, taking purely purely political stances which cause serious stock value losses is just stupid. tongue

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Odd, I thought Carbonite was a major advertiser on the political Rush Limbaugh show and then withdrew advertising after he ridiculed a college student who was dumb enough to stand before congress and literally pleaded that there needed to be an act of congress passed to control her "mommy parts".  Because she as a college student had absolutely no idea how she could avoid getting pregnant outside of government issue birth control pills.

Anyways, how do you suggest political media such as talk radio, debates or tv be paid for if not by company sponsorship?

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politics should stay out of companies

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Re: Companies should stay out of politics

It should be added to the division of powers: legislative, executive and juridical powers are already separated. Economy should be added to those. Companies shouldn't be allowed to fund/help politicians whatsoever, and stakeholders in companies shouldn't be allowed into politics either.

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Yeah, people shouldn't have free speech! You go WFS! So enlightened! So free!

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"Companies shouldn't be allowed to fund/help politicians whatsoever, and stakeholders in companies shouldn't be allowed into politics either."

In modern America that would exclude something like 60% of the population, since our tax code in the 1970s was amended to allow tax-deferred ownership of stocks through investment plans for retirement.  A lot of workers and almost all retirees own stocks.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Companies aren't citizens, and some companies have foreign origins. You want them to fund political campaigns? Traitors! Off with your heads!

I have nothing against companies collaborating with government. A company ought to be allowed to argue in defense or opposition to legislation that would affect them, or argue that a policy would enable them to better serve the needs of the population. What I don't like is when companies dictate political events, or effectively bribe politicians. Reminds me of the prank call to governor Scott Walker, where the guy posed as a Koch brother and Walker treated him like he was his master.

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WALKER:  Hi, this is Scott Walker.

MURPHY:  Scott, David Koch, how are you?

WALKER:  Hey, David, I

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Companies made up of American citizens have every right to take part in the communicative process. They produce something, make profits, and employ people. They're central to most Americans' lives and well-being.

Electing politicians who can be bought is on the populace, and has nothing to do with companies' free speech right. if WFS and Justinian are suggesting that taking away companies' free speech rights would somehow keep them out of politics, out of bribing and owning elected officials, they're sadly ignorant and mistaken.

More free speech rights and knowing where people and organizations stand politically is a good thing. What we do with that knowledge is on us.

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Wendys actually has good food tho sad

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Companies should stay out of politics

Kemp,

I have nothing against wealthy individuals, owners, or CEOs contributing to political campaigns, just not from the corporate treasury.

Re: Companies should stay out of politics

Citizens have free speech rights. Organizations of citizens should as well.

Companies have just as much right to free speech as greeny weenie and social[ist] justice organizations as individuals as anybody else.

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Re: Companies should stay out of politics

so... what about super pac's? how about campaign donations? lobbiests? advertising?

companies should have very limited rights as opinions can and will most likely be in the interest of personal gain at the loss of others with no responsibility to the effects. you cannot jail a company as it is not a living entity. a company can simply break any law, pay its pety fine, and continue on with business, if severe enough, the company can even create a new identity completely while keeping the same minds in control.

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a company should have no freedom of speech, the people who control it however, should, laws should be directed at the owners, not the business

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Negative.

A publically owned company versus a privately held company, there is a difference. There is also the situation when there is a single majority stake holder (or a tight group with majority ownership) where you know your in bed with their idealism.



But what we had here was attacks upon other businesses for political purposes.

Donating or talking about a politician is one thing, but trying to destroy a business (or harm, scare, intimidate...) because of their political views is wrong.

This is the point I am making and why those businesses are suffering Tea Party wrath (they are more dependent upon citizens for their revenues where Planned Parenthood relies on Not for Profits and Government funds).

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Re: Companies should stay out of politics

Justinian I,

The corporate treasury is simply the collective profit of a group of individuals with rights. They could always restructure their cash flow to include a political action committee which is funded before "profit" is calculated.

Your ignorance makes you short-sighted. What you propose just causes bureaucracy and accomplishes nothing, except to trample on rights and make things difficult and convoluted which should be out in the open as free speech.





Ultimately, in democratic nations, the people are and must be the arbiters of the truth and policy. You can't protect people from themselves with laws restricting free speech. If you can't advocate a cause and win support with the truth, then you're in a moral and intellectual cesspool of a population and nothing will save them from their own votes.

Sure, sometimes companies advocate things we all disagree with. But so do advocacy groups which seek to restrict those companies' operations. Can't we all agree that sometimes companies are right to fight back against lunatic advocacy groups? I doubt you're all vegans with plastic shoes, spending $10 on a cup of rice to ensure a minimal of animals were harmed/displaced by the farming, and shunning electric power and plumbing.

So give me a break. You all enjoy the benefits of companies' free speech. You haven't remotely thought this through. All we've got here are gut reactions of ooooo big companies bad! Me sheep! Must be protected!

None of the limitations proposed on corporate spending suggested here would actually remove their hand from the political sphere. Most of them would just require some shuffling of money.

Free speech is not evil. Apathetic idiots [who vote] are. Know your enemy.

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