Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

Illinois is going to try introducing a heavy cigarette tax to help fund their medicare liabilities.

However they ignore the history of such leaps. Typically a small tax gets a revenue increase but a medium or high tax increase actually reduces revenue. Of course this does not apply outside the United States and the European Union.

So now some liberals here are thinking 'he is stupid of course they increase revenue'. A pack of cigarettes has a cost. A carton typically holds ten packs.

Look at this website:

http://www.theawl.com/2011/06/what-a-pack-of-cigarettes-costs-state-by-state

So people in Washington are paying $99 to Oregon's $56 for a carton. If you plan to buy a bunch of cartons to save money (say 5 like my mom used to do, she even put several cartons in the freezer) then it changes a lot more... to $496 to $280. Suddenly a hundred mile round trip drive seems a good way to save money. So let's say they drive a car which gets 20mpg. That's 5 gallons and even if $5 a gallon for gasoline... that is only $100 in cost compared to $216 in savings. Net result is you save $116 dollars and Washington State loses taxes while Oregon gains taxes... (btw this is built upon a real life dynamic I know of. No one in Vancouver buys cigarettes there unless it is an 'emergency' to them or that they won't have time for a trip to Oregon.)

Not only that dynamic.. but then there is the people that quit due to the increased cost. Suddenly you have less people buying in State and less smokers in total as well.

This is why taxing smokers should only be to help stop them from smoking or to pay for THEIR smoking related healthcare. Trying to bridge a gap in your budget on smokers (or drinkers) is bad fiscal policy and is sure to result in less revenue (every example shows this)

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Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

"Not only that dynamic.. but then there is the people that quit due to the increased cost. Suddenly you have less people buying in State and less smokers in total as well."

So you are advocating that making smokers quit smoking is bad financially? A lot of your problems could be solved by having a large nation wide tax on cigarattes, and it has nothing to do with the size of the tax, but more of the fact that there is no equality of taxes amongst states....

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

actually, it'd be horrible for the economy if all smokers quit.
not only do they pay a lot of taxes by buying cigs, they also die sooner, meaning they cost less.

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Primo

Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

Primo is correct. Revenue from cig tax is huge. That's why it's easy to increase. Also, making it cost an arm and leg doesn't make people quit, they just find other ways to save money and become more efficient smokers.

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Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

Wornstrum I have no issues stopping smoking...

I am just pointing out relying upon a huge tax increase on smoking for covering an essential service is stupid

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Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

Oh misread...

A tax on b ad behavoir should never be to cover an essential service

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Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

"they also die sooner, meaning they cost less."

Well they cost more in the way of health services...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

> Well they cost more in the way of health services...

Perhaps?

> If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs. <

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199710093371506

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Re: Why taxing cigarettes to cover a financial hole is fail.

Yea, that makes sense.
More costs in the short term, but old people cost heaps.

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Primo